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re: Security in Tiger Stadium...
Posted on 9/22/09 at 9:02 pm to unodos3geaux
Posted on 9/22/09 at 9:02 pm to unodos3geaux
If you are going to discriminate and strictly enforce the alcohol policy for students, then do it for the whole stadium. Are there not people under age 21 coming into the stadium through non-SS gates and sitting in non-SS seats? And tell me how it is ok for me to walk around campus with an open container all day and they are not going to deny me entrance into TS but if i try to bring 4 oz. of alcohol into the stadium I am going to get groped and harrassed and kicked out?
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 9:07 pm to ddfender
frick well im going old school for florida...
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 9:11 pm to parrotdr
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This just ain't true--you've been going since 2001 and judge in that small time based on your personal experiences. You can't see the forest for your own trees. I was in the student section for 8 years also, including grad school, and have been a season ticket holder in the NE section ever since (about 2O years.
The baseline has to be a national caliber team and it just ain't the way it used to be.
Posted on 9/22/09 at 9:23 pm to Honkus
I wish you luck my friend. Getting it in that way is no longer a guarantee.
Posted on 9/22/09 at 9:47 pm to Rickety Cricket
The cops at TS might be dicks, but they got nothing on the "marshalls/seat nazis" at the Box.
Posted on 9/22/09 at 9:53 pm to PiscesTiger
I wonder how many under aged are in the suites consuming? Probably more than you would image. It royally pisses me off that you can have alcohol if you have the money but you can't if your trying to get an education.
Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't consider bringing alcohol into the stadium but fair is fair. I'll take rowdy with an occasional a-hole over dead fan any day.
Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't consider bringing alcohol into the stadium but fair is fair. I'll take rowdy with an occasional a-hole over dead fan any day.
Posted on 9/22/09 at 9:56 pm to jmitc22
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he was just exercising his right to free speech. Unless im interfering with a cop in the commission of his duty anyone can say anything they want to a cop, or anyone else for that matter, and unless its defamation, slander, or libel there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
Libel is defamation by written or printed words. Were you planning to write "Officer Johnson is a frick-face" on a sheet of paper and flash it in front of him?
Don't hurt yourself with these big words and legal concepts.
By the way, your probable cause argument is shite as well.
Posted on 9/22/09 at 10:11 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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2) It doesn't affect the atmosphere: Stupid statement. Everyone knows that the student sections is the loudest part of the stadium (probably louder than the other 90,000 people combined) and having a bunch of hung over and dehydrated students in there for the fourth quarter leads to lackluster participation when it counts. The student section is the spearhead for the rest of the crowd. We are the ones that shake the stadium when we win the coin toss because that's how jacked we are just to be there. If you don't understand that, than you obviously haven't been to many games
I've been going to games since before 2001. And that's how I know you are wrong. I sat in the student section from 1998 til 2006. The section got gradually quieter and less fun. It corresponded with the crackdown on alcohol and throwing bourbon&cokes. IMHO.
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The atmosphere hasn't fallen off- The student section is a complete shell of what it used to be
Nice contradiction of your above statement.
Posted on 9/22/09 at 10:14 pm to oilattorney4lsu
Oh good lord. People say they miss the old days when they were in school (doing the same thing students are now), but then they complain about everything the students do. He didn't say "frick you" or "frick the police" or "For Allah." It's okay to make a remark about security. If he'd said, "I'd be able to take this bomb in my shorts into the White House easier than here." I'd understand. Otherwise, officers should roll their eyes and wait for a real issue.
Posted on 9/22/09 at 10:15 pm to Dijkstra
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 10:33 pm to unodos3geaux
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And tell me how it is ok for me to walk around campus with an open container all day and they are not going to deny me entrance into TS but if i try to bring 4 oz. of alcohol into the stadium I am going to get groped and harrassed and kicked out?
All this begs the question: If you can drink all you want all day, why do you need to bring the 4 oz. of alcohol into the stadium?
Posted on 9/22/09 at 10:39 pm to yessir
to keep the glow 
Posted on 9/22/09 at 10:48 pm to Dijkstra
I would love to do a research experiment then and now...I'll at least, in a LONG explaination, attempt to give you my reason on the changing of the student section since this thread has shifted to a focus of such. There are factors that I think are at play.
When I was at LSU and I am sure the years before me, all you had to have to get in was basically a 2.0 gpa and an 18-20 on the ACT. I recall the campus then (around 96) being filled with a ton of folks who just didn't seem like they were there to get an education...can't really explain it. The student section was full of drunks and it was LOUD.
Now, LSU has raised its standards. A lot of the "I grew up an LSU fan" boys and girls can't go to their favorite school because they do not have the grades. So, they go to BRCC, Southeastern, Nicholls, etc. Now, the gpa needs to be about a whole point higher and the ACT score, I believe at a minimum, must be a 23. Like my day, I am sure one can be placed on academic probation, but for the most part, the typical LSU student of 2009 is more intelligent, more dedicated, and there for an educational purpose. The students of over a decade ago - many were probably out on academic probation and their grand plan was to stay and party at LSU for a semester...a year, if he/she was lucky.
The mindset of the collegiate was just different. Remember, Sport's Illustrated would be wall to wall full of people on a MONDAY night. Reggie's, the replacement, is the O'Doul's version of Sport's. I can recall going to Sport's on the Monday when every student came back from Christmas Break and class started on a Wed and nobody could move, literally. Them there was the tail end of Murphy's. If you were Greek and partied, you were there twice a week at minimum. Fred's was soooo packed on Thursdays and Fridays. Bogey's had a line out the door from Thursday through Saturday. The Varsity was jam-packed with people on Retro Thursday nights (80's music was THE sound to groove to). Basically, the average LSU student was out 4 out of the 7 nights (and that includes Sundays when the Gator Bar was the place to be). I am not quite sure what the average is for students of today - I'd venture twice a week. There is no Murphy's anymore, Sports and Reggie's aren't the same animal, and The Varsity lacks consistency. Fred'd and Bogey's still draw crowds, but not like they once did...not that I have seen.
My long, overanalyzed point is that the student section will never be as loud and obnoxious and packed game after game because the students of today are not the same breed they once were. I wonder how many of the spirit-filled students are die hard LSUfans or just showing up and rooting because LSU gave them the best engineering or graphic design scholarship. Back in the 90's, a ton of LSU students were going to LSU, no matter what. My brother was 3rd in his high school class and could have gone to Auburn or Tulane on a full ride and had an outside shot at Stanford. He didn't bother to apply to anywhere else, 4.0 and all, because he wanted to join a frat at LSU and party all day and night and go to the football games with a date and live it up. That was another thing - if you were a guy and you had an ounce of game, you took a date with you. You went with a dozen or so others and they had dates. You made sure you're date was drunk and that everyone had enough booze to make it through the game. Sure, kids are still getting tanked at games, but I see a lot of "groups of friends" that go the games toether and not the formulaic date and flask bunch. I'm just calling it like I see it.
Let's not even forget to mention that in the 80's, you could have a frat party and have tweleve kegs on your front lawn and no one gave a shite. Since 1997 and the awful SAE tragedy (and no knock on SAE...some good dudes from that frat), alcohol might as well be heroin and at least for a few years it was treated as such.
It's just a left-field hypothesis. The football was also a lot different from the 80's to the 90's than it is now. Now, if you are blowing out Tulane at halftime, you leave. Then, Tulane was an arch enemy and it was the last game of the year and you stayed to point your finger at Tulane players as they walked off the field. There weren't legendary endzone fights for nothing in that game...also, LSU wasn't always guaranteed to even beat the Wave. SEC games were meant much more - all of them were big. Back in the 80's, LSU often only played 6 league games...in 1987, for instance, LSU played 6 SEC games and only 2 of them were away and one of those was in Jackson, MS. The student section then didn't have to see three games a tear against LA Tech, ULL, and Tulane...hell, USL, NLU, and Tech and the like playing LSU was unheard of until the turn of the century. Now, these teams are playing in Tiger Stadium and the majority of the students really aren't interested in any possibility of a potential in-state rival...and who can blame them? The student section of the 80's' version of ULL and ULM games were Rice and Hosuton and the like. Basically, this season, there is one game that every student who wanted tickets circled and it is Florida. If Alabama came to TS this season, that would be another one, but that would be it.
No one is to blame or one age right and one age wrong...things were just different. In the 80's, LSU wasn't a rival to Auburn. Florida and Kentucky were huge rivals. Alabama always was good when they came to Tiger Stadium. LSU didn't play Arkansas, who was in the SWC. Broadhead and Dean didn't believe in scheduling in-state opponents (except the finale with Tulane) as there was nothing to gain and all to lose. Texas A&M was often the home opener and not ULL and the excitement set the tone for the season. Now, the tone isn't set until Florida or Bama comes to town....occasionally an eastern opponent like UT ir UGA. Football just meant something different in the 80's and 90's and maybe today it's just taken for granted or just not as big a deal as people try to proclaim that it is. The recent wave of success - two national titles and 3 SEC titles - make seasons like 2002 and 2008 into yawners, where a lot of students just don't bother showing up to an "uninteresting" game...or they leave really early. In 1995, a season like 2008 would have been a joyride. Winning a 12-6 game over Auburn was equatable to 2007 Florida game. If LSU was in the game, the students were in the game. If LSU was blowing out an opponent, the students stayed around and loved every second of it.
Just differences I see...don't know if anything I have typed has any legitimacy, but I often have to ponder the situation.
When I was at LSU and I am sure the years before me, all you had to have to get in was basically a 2.0 gpa and an 18-20 on the ACT. I recall the campus then (around 96) being filled with a ton of folks who just didn't seem like they were there to get an education...can't really explain it. The student section was full of drunks and it was LOUD.
Now, LSU has raised its standards. A lot of the "I grew up an LSU fan" boys and girls can't go to their favorite school because they do not have the grades. So, they go to BRCC, Southeastern, Nicholls, etc. Now, the gpa needs to be about a whole point higher and the ACT score, I believe at a minimum, must be a 23. Like my day, I am sure one can be placed on academic probation, but for the most part, the typical LSU student of 2009 is more intelligent, more dedicated, and there for an educational purpose. The students of over a decade ago - many were probably out on academic probation and their grand plan was to stay and party at LSU for a semester...a year, if he/she was lucky.
The mindset of the collegiate was just different. Remember, Sport's Illustrated would be wall to wall full of people on a MONDAY night. Reggie's, the replacement, is the O'Doul's version of Sport's. I can recall going to Sport's on the Monday when every student came back from Christmas Break and class started on a Wed and nobody could move, literally. Them there was the tail end of Murphy's. If you were Greek and partied, you were there twice a week at minimum. Fred's was soooo packed on Thursdays and Fridays. Bogey's had a line out the door from Thursday through Saturday. The Varsity was jam-packed with people on Retro Thursday nights (80's music was THE sound to groove to). Basically, the average LSU student was out 4 out of the 7 nights (and that includes Sundays when the Gator Bar was the place to be). I am not quite sure what the average is for students of today - I'd venture twice a week. There is no Murphy's anymore, Sports and Reggie's aren't the same animal, and The Varsity lacks consistency. Fred'd and Bogey's still draw crowds, but not like they once did...not that I have seen.
My long, overanalyzed point is that the student section will never be as loud and obnoxious and packed game after game because the students of today are not the same breed they once were. I wonder how many of the spirit-filled students are die hard LSUfans or just showing up and rooting because LSU gave them the best engineering or graphic design scholarship. Back in the 90's, a ton of LSU students were going to LSU, no matter what. My brother was 3rd in his high school class and could have gone to Auburn or Tulane on a full ride and had an outside shot at Stanford. He didn't bother to apply to anywhere else, 4.0 and all, because he wanted to join a frat at LSU and party all day and night and go to the football games with a date and live it up. That was another thing - if you were a guy and you had an ounce of game, you took a date with you. You went with a dozen or so others and they had dates. You made sure you're date was drunk and that everyone had enough booze to make it through the game. Sure, kids are still getting tanked at games, but I see a lot of "groups of friends" that go the games toether and not the formulaic date and flask bunch. I'm just calling it like I see it.
Let's not even forget to mention that in the 80's, you could have a frat party and have tweleve kegs on your front lawn and no one gave a shite. Since 1997 and the awful SAE tragedy (and no knock on SAE...some good dudes from that frat), alcohol might as well be heroin and at least for a few years it was treated as such.
It's just a left-field hypothesis. The football was also a lot different from the 80's to the 90's than it is now. Now, if you are blowing out Tulane at halftime, you leave. Then, Tulane was an arch enemy and it was the last game of the year and you stayed to point your finger at Tulane players as they walked off the field. There weren't legendary endzone fights for nothing in that game...also, LSU wasn't always guaranteed to even beat the Wave. SEC games were meant much more - all of them were big. Back in the 80's, LSU often only played 6 league games...in 1987, for instance, LSU played 6 SEC games and only 2 of them were away and one of those was in Jackson, MS. The student section then didn't have to see three games a tear against LA Tech, ULL, and Tulane...hell, USL, NLU, and Tech and the like playing LSU was unheard of until the turn of the century. Now, these teams are playing in Tiger Stadium and the majority of the students really aren't interested in any possibility of a potential in-state rival...and who can blame them? The student section of the 80's' version of ULL and ULM games were Rice and Hosuton and the like. Basically, this season, there is one game that every student who wanted tickets circled and it is Florida. If Alabama came to TS this season, that would be another one, but that would be it.
No one is to blame or one age right and one age wrong...things were just different. In the 80's, LSU wasn't a rival to Auburn. Florida and Kentucky were huge rivals. Alabama always was good when they came to Tiger Stadium. LSU didn't play Arkansas, who was in the SWC. Broadhead and Dean didn't believe in scheduling in-state opponents (except the finale with Tulane) as there was nothing to gain and all to lose. Texas A&M was often the home opener and not ULL and the excitement set the tone for the season. Now, the tone isn't set until Florida or Bama comes to town....occasionally an eastern opponent like UT ir UGA. Football just meant something different in the 80's and 90's and maybe today it's just taken for granted or just not as big a deal as people try to proclaim that it is. The recent wave of success - two national titles and 3 SEC titles - make seasons like 2002 and 2008 into yawners, where a lot of students just don't bother showing up to an "uninteresting" game...or they leave really early. In 1995, a season like 2008 would have been a joyride. Winning a 12-6 game over Auburn was equatable to 2007 Florida game. If LSU was in the game, the students were in the game. If LSU was blowing out an opponent, the students stayed around and loved every second of it.
Just differences I see...don't know if anything I have typed has any legitimacy, but I often have to ponder the situation.
This post was edited on 9/22/09 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 9/22/09 at 10:57 pm to yessir
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All this begs the question: If you can drink all you want all day, why do you need to bring the 4 oz. of alcohol into the stadium?
because if you go into the stadium 1-2 hours before the game starts like i and many other students in order to get decent seats, you are completely sober, dehydrated and tired before the end of the first quarter
Posted on 9/22/09 at 10:57 pm to PiscesTiger
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PiscesTiger
legit post
Posted on 9/22/09 at 10:58 pm to biglego
He wasn't trying to contradict himself; i think he just used poor wording and didn't realize it. From what i can tell, he is agreeing with what you said
Posted on 9/22/09 at 11:01 pm to PiscesTiger
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PiscesTiger
Great post. And I guess as a student I'm a member of a dying breed, because I'm there when the gates open, and I don't leave until the band finishes singing the Alma Mater.
Posted on 9/22/09 at 11:02 pm to unodos3geaux
Tiger Stadium is a pain in the arse, I'd rather just sit at home and watch the game, or go to a bar where they give out free shots every time we score. 
Posted on 9/22/09 at 11:03 pm to unodos3geaux
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because if you go into the stadium 1-2 hours before the game starts like i and many other students in order to get decent seats, you are completely sober, dehydrated and tired before the end of the first quarter
Well what's the point in getting shitfaced and not being able to watch the game because your head is between your knees?
Posted on 9/22/09 at 11:08 pm to biglego
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If you immature fricks would just obey the law and keep the mouths shut, everything would be fine.
"Are you a cawp? Or are you pretending to be a cawp?" - Mark Wahlberg
This post was edited on 9/22/09 at 11:09 pm
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