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re: So we are looking at LSU vs Ga.Tech game...
Posted on 12/4/08 at 9:28 pm to lsudiva2010
Posted on 12/4/08 at 9:28 pm to lsudiva2010
The disadvantage for playing Ga Tech's offense is only having a week to prepare for it during the regular season. The advantage for LSU will be having a few weeks to prepare the defense. UGA had two weeks I think, but Richt has a habit of not preparing his team for some games. The big question is will LSU have the coaches in place to have a game plan in place.
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Posted on 12/4/08 at 9:41 pm to ptra
Is my math right? Will this be the 7th time we've played in Atlanta since 2000?
Posted on 12/4/08 at 10:48 pm to ptra
Koenning Comments on Ga Tech
CLEMSON — This week, Clemson defensive coordinator Vic Koenning had a candid conversation with an NFL scout about Georgia Tech’s triple-option offense.
“If you’re a great quarterback, you don’t want to go there. If you’re a great receiver, you don’t want to go there,” Koenning said, repeating verbatim what the scout told him. “I’m not trying to be ugly — they’re going to throw the ball 12, 15 times a game. You want to catch balls. Offensive linemen, if you want to be in the NFL, you don’t go there, because you’re not going to get looked at.”
Johnson’s triple-option, run-based system might not be pretty. It might not be a direct path to NFL stardom. But halfway through his debut season on the Flats, it’s working pretty well.
Heading into Saturday’s noon visit to Memorial Stadium, Georgia Tech is 5-1 and ranked eighth nationally in rush offense. The triple-option’s unique nature leaves opponents scratching their heads trying to figure it out.
“That offense is crazy,” said Clemson senior safety Michael Hamlin. “It’s something we’ve never seen before. It’s going to be a pretty good little task for us.”
When Georgia Tech hired Johnson away from Navy last December, some questioned whether his unorthodox offense would work at college football’s highest level.
So far, so good. The Yellow Jackets are a narrow loss at Virginia Tech from being unbeaten, although last week’s 10-7 win over Football Championship Subdivision foe Gardner-Webb (sealed by a late blocked field goal) raised plenty of eyebrows.
The offense suffered under third-string quarterback Calvin Booker, a pocket passer ill-suited for the system. But first-team quarterback Josh Nesbitt (who has missed the last three weeks with a hamstring strain) is expected to start Saturday.
Koenning says he and his staff have studied film from both Georgia Tech and Johnson’s entire Navy tenure, trying to find tendencies and prepare for the challenge. He also game-planned for the Jackets over the summer, and he’s using it to guide this week’s preparations.
“It is a headache for everybody they play,” Koenning said. “During the season it’s going to be impossible to prepare for this in a Monday-Tuesday-Wednesday practice environment. …You look at the games they’ve played this year, see if anything’s worked or not worked. And you just go on. You cannot simulate it in practice.
“The speed and the meshes, I know from my years of playing against Air Force (while at Wyoming) that was the hardest thing, was the first couple drives of the game are a nightmare, because they’re so much faster, the mesh points and the way guys get on your legs, it’s incredibly hard. I was hoping (Johnson) would have gone to SMU.”
Nesbitt and bruising back Jonathan Dwyer (who has 575 rushing yards this season) will test Clemson’s inexperienced linebackers, but Koenning is quietly confident in his young group.
“Our linebackers have gotten better every week,” he said. I hope now that people would look back at our Alabama game and five times we gave them the ball inside the 50-yard line in the first half. They got two field goals and a touchdown. Everybody was drilling me, drilling all the players, and maybe they don’t look so bad right now.”
Keep discipline in their assignments, and they’ll look even better Saturday.
“They run a lot of option and in certain plays they call we have to have guys do what they’re supposed to do,” Hamlin said. “You’ve got guys to take the quarterback, guys to take the pitch, guys to take the fullback. So as long as you’ve got guys that are doing their responsibility, you’re going to be all right.”
CLEMSON — This week, Clemson defensive coordinator Vic Koenning had a candid conversation with an NFL scout about Georgia Tech’s triple-option offense.
“If you’re a great quarterback, you don’t want to go there. If you’re a great receiver, you don’t want to go there,” Koenning said, repeating verbatim what the scout told him. “I’m not trying to be ugly — they’re going to throw the ball 12, 15 times a game. You want to catch balls. Offensive linemen, if you want to be in the NFL, you don’t go there, because you’re not going to get looked at.”
Johnson’s triple-option, run-based system might not be pretty. It might not be a direct path to NFL stardom. But halfway through his debut season on the Flats, it’s working pretty well.
Heading into Saturday’s noon visit to Memorial Stadium, Georgia Tech is 5-1 and ranked eighth nationally in rush offense. The triple-option’s unique nature leaves opponents scratching their heads trying to figure it out.
“That offense is crazy,” said Clemson senior safety Michael Hamlin. “It’s something we’ve never seen before. It’s going to be a pretty good little task for us.”
When Georgia Tech hired Johnson away from Navy last December, some questioned whether his unorthodox offense would work at college football’s highest level.
So far, so good. The Yellow Jackets are a narrow loss at Virginia Tech from being unbeaten, although last week’s 10-7 win over Football Championship Subdivision foe Gardner-Webb (sealed by a late blocked field goal) raised plenty of eyebrows.
The offense suffered under third-string quarterback Calvin Booker, a pocket passer ill-suited for the system. But first-team quarterback Josh Nesbitt (who has missed the last three weeks with a hamstring strain) is expected to start Saturday.
Koenning says he and his staff have studied film from both Georgia Tech and Johnson’s entire Navy tenure, trying to find tendencies and prepare for the challenge. He also game-planned for the Jackets over the summer, and he’s using it to guide this week’s preparations.
“It is a headache for everybody they play,” Koenning said. “During the season it’s going to be impossible to prepare for this in a Monday-Tuesday-Wednesday practice environment. …You look at the games they’ve played this year, see if anything’s worked or not worked. And you just go on. You cannot simulate it in practice.
“The speed and the meshes, I know from my years of playing against Air Force (while at Wyoming) that was the hardest thing, was the first couple drives of the game are a nightmare, because they’re so much faster, the mesh points and the way guys get on your legs, it’s incredibly hard. I was hoping (Johnson) would have gone to SMU.”
Nesbitt and bruising back Jonathan Dwyer (who has 575 rushing yards this season) will test Clemson’s inexperienced linebackers, but Koenning is quietly confident in his young group.
“Our linebackers have gotten better every week,” he said. I hope now that people would look back at our Alabama game and five times we gave them the ball inside the 50-yard line in the first half. They got two field goals and a touchdown. Everybody was drilling me, drilling all the players, and maybe they don’t look so bad right now.”
Keep discipline in their assignments, and they’ll look even better Saturday.
“They run a lot of option and in certain plays they call we have to have guys do what they’re supposed to do,” Hamlin said. “You’ve got guys to take the quarterback, guys to take the pitch, guys to take the fullback. So as long as you’ve got guys that are doing their responsibility, you’re going to be all right.”
Posted on 12/4/08 at 10:53 pm to AtlBrett
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Tech is full of geeks, pretty quiet, they had trouble selling out their home game against miami 3 weeks ago.
Tech never sells out unless UGA comes to town
And I'm a Tech fan.
Posted on 12/4/08 at 10:59 pm to AtlBrett
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LSU fans will step up once it's announced.
we didn't pack the dome in 2005
Posted on 12/4/08 at 11:04 pm to TigerBait1127
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we didn't pack the dome in 2005
And we certainly didn't come close to the puke-orange last year in the SECCG.
Posted on 12/5/08 at 7:07 am to longhorn22
I think Miles should contact Willie Martinez....didn't he do a good job 
Posted on 12/5/08 at 7:15 am to Weaver
The problem with the wishbone is that it's a retro offense that very few def coord's out there know how to stop. Coaches will actually consult with others on how to stop it. Do you honestly see Mallory and Peveto consulting other coaches out there right now and asking questions? I don't.
Posted on 12/5/08 at 7:27 am to mstiger
Once and for all, GT does not run the Wishbone. Just because you are an option team doesn't mean it's out of the Wishbone fromation. Get it right buddy.
Posted on 12/5/08 at 7:35 am to Lake Chaz Tiger
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Once and for all, GT does not run the Wishbone. Just because you are an option team doesn't mean it's out of the Wishbone fromation. Get it right buddy.
You wanna tell that to the guy I talked to who's happened to be a defensive coach at one time for LSU, Army, FSU, and Tennessee - who has talked in great detail about what LSU needs to do to stop Georgia Tech and what kind of offense they run?
Posted on 12/5/08 at 7:41 am to lsudiva2010
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very fast boys up front
What team have you been watching?? Who are these mysterious "fast" players?
Posted on 12/5/08 at 8:40 am to ptra
Having more time to practice for it certainly is better than having less time. Also- the Flex Option/Spread Option/Triple Option (We have no idea of what we run) is not perfect in itself.
The only reason it works is Paul Johnson. He is to that offense what Steve Spurrier was to his when he actually cared about coaching. He will lull a defense into one thing and then pull something.
I have a friend that played for Navy and he said when Paul Johnson is calling plays you have 50,000 people guessing and only one that knows exactly what is about to happen.
You have to create turnovers, stay disciplined, and at the same time blow up the offensive line. It is very hard to defend when the right guy is pulling the levers. It is also impossible to simulate in practice so while you will have a month to get ready for it- it won't be until game time when you will actually "see it".
All that being said- I think you have a great shot at beating us. Outside of our defensive line- we are too young, too small, and too slow to hang with LSU.
The only reason it works is Paul Johnson. He is to that offense what Steve Spurrier was to his when he actually cared about coaching. He will lull a defense into one thing and then pull something.
I have a friend that played for Navy and he said when Paul Johnson is calling plays you have 50,000 people guessing and only one that knows exactly what is about to happen.
You have to create turnovers, stay disciplined, and at the same time blow up the offensive line. It is very hard to defend when the right guy is pulling the levers. It is also impossible to simulate in practice so while you will have a month to get ready for it- it won't be until game time when you will actually "see it".
All that being said- I think you have a great shot at beating us. Outside of our defensive line- we are too young, too small, and too slow to hang with LSU.
Posted on 12/5/08 at 4:03 pm to BEEliever
Yeah, GT will definitely sell more bowl tickets during fair weather. But finishing strong, beating UGA and having a chance to win 10 games is fair weather. And anyway I see a lot more LSU flags and shirts around Atlanta these days than I did in 1999. :-)
You can expect about the same GT fan attendance we have at most home games, which is roughly 45,000 (not counting visitors) and about what we seemed to have in 2000.
GT's undergrad enrollment is less than half of LSU's, with a higher foreign and out of state student proportion. The core fans and boosters are very die-hard, or GT football would've given up like Vandy a long time ago.
You can expect about the same GT fan attendance we have at most home games, which is roughly 45,000 (not counting visitors) and about what we seemed to have in 2000.
GT's undergrad enrollment is less than half of LSU's, with a higher foreign and out of state student proportion. The core fans and boosters are very die-hard, or GT football would've given up like Vandy a long time ago.
Posted on 12/5/08 at 4:11 pm to GoldenTornado
Wishbone is easy to stop IF you have more than a week to prepare for it. If it's that great an offense, how many teams run it in major college football? The only way it's successful nowdays is
when teams only have a couple of days to prepare for it.
when teams only have a couple of days to prepare for it.
Posted on 12/5/08 at 4:23 pm to lsudiva2010
I just can't see LSU losing their bowl game.
Maybe I'm just being Bias
Maybe I'm just being Bias
Posted on 12/5/08 at 4:47 pm to JohnLSU
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I just can't see LSU losing their bowl game.
Maybe I'm just being Bias
Just a little! I could not see LSU losing to Arkansas but it happened...
Ga.Tech is Coached well... They play their assignments and thats what troubles me the most about facing them.
Not equally as talented but better coached > Overly talented not better coached...
This post was edited on 12/5/08 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 12/5/08 at 4:51 pm to G- Man
I'm just not convinced we're going to Chik Fil A bowl.
Posted on 12/5/08 at 4:52 pm to longhorn22
Probably ought to bring along a busload of priests to administer last rites. It is probably not going to be a pretty game.
Posted on 12/5/08 at 5:02 pm to MiketheTiger69
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but I think it all depends on how effective GT's passing game is
If we don't have to have our LBs dropping into coverage we will be OK...but if we do
Posted on 12/5/08 at 5:30 pm to ptra
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The disadvantage for playing Ga Tech's offense is only having a week to prepare for it during the regular season. The advantage for LSU will be having a few weeks to prepare the defense.
Bingo. Johnson is a great coach and he does a great job of playcalling but a lot of the power of the wishbone is lost when the opponent has time to prepare.
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