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re: Spring Game QB Numbers Inside the Numbers
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If you don't throw the ball withint 10 feet of a defender you are not going to have INT's. You also are not going to move the chains.
This. It's no coincidence that, while they had fewer INTs, they also had the most anemic offense in the conference. Hell, they had one of the worst offenses in the COUNTRY!
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Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:22 pm to ffishstik
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If you don't throw the ball withint 10 feet of a defender you are not going to have INT's. You also are not going to move the chains.
haha so I guess LSU should say goodbye to the fade, slant, post, out... maybe we just shouldn't throw at all we could run the navy offense!
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:22 pm to arobbi3
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And, yes, before someone says it, I've also seen JL lose a game almost single-handedly, too (Georgia in 08).
I really wouldn't say Lee lost us the game.. He did throw 3 int one being a pick 6 but, we should win any game if we score 38 points. Our defense gave up 45 points that game and could not stop UGA at all.
I would tend to agree with you about the UGA game, but if JL had not thrown those key interceptions against Bama (including yet another pick six) we would have won that game going away. That's one of the rare football games I've ever seen where I came away thinking that one player truly cost his team the game; but in JL's defense, he never should have been in that position, so I was more frustrated than angry about his performance. I still think he can be a good QB, as long as the '08 season didn't mess his head up too much.
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:24 pm to ffishstik
JJ was scared to throw the ball near traffic which helped his stats, but crippled the offense.
Don't understand why people can't see this. LSU's offensive scheme involved recievers running 8-10 yards down the field and becoming static. Only if they are wide open, throw the ball.
Don't understand why people can't see this. LSU's offensive scheme involved recievers running 8-10 yards down the field and becoming static. Only if they are wide open, throw the ball.
This post was edited on 3/28/10 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
If you look at full starts over the last two seasons(excluding games with injury or not starting and coming out when finishes).
Jefferson
13 games
197/325
61%
2337 yds
19tds/7ints
11.86 ypc
180 yrds/game
Lee
8 games
119/229
52%
1547 yrds
11tds/13ints
13 ypc
193 yds/game
So Jefferson did not produce much less offense eventhough his worse OL, worse rushing attack, and he wasn't picking up garbage yards.
Jefferson
13 games
197/325
61%
2337 yds
19tds/7ints
11.86 ypc
180 yrds/game
Lee
8 games
119/229
52%
1547 yrds
11tds/13ints
13 ypc
193 yds/game
So Jefferson did not produce much less offense eventhough his worse OL, worse rushing attack, and he wasn't picking up garbage yards.
This post was edited on 3/28/10 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I would tend to agree with you about the UGA game, but if JL had not thrown those key interceptions against Bama (including yet another pick six) we would have won that game going away. That's one of the rare football games I've ever seen where I came away thinking that one player truly cost his team the game; but in JL's defense, he never should have been in that position, so I was more frustrated than angry about his performance. I still think he can be a good QB, as long as the '08 season didn't mess his head up too much.
Agree with all of this. That really is the biggest question: "Is JL a head case now?" The obvious follow up question is, "Can Gonzales and Crowton fix it?" Lee has many of the QB intangibles that Jefferson simply doesn't, but if he spots the other team 7 points each game, he won't see the field.
I really don't think Miles helps when he refers to JJ as "our best QB". Our "starter", maybe, but it isn't a forgone conclusion that he is our "best".
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:34 pm to lsutiger2486
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So Jefferson did not produce much less offense eventhough his worse OL, worse rushing attack, and he wasn't picking up garbage yards.
Position is JJ's to own. Its his. he can run with this and shut up the detractors but he can't.
Stats are meaningless if you cannot move the football with consistency.
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:37 pm to lsutiger2486
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I would tend to agree with you about the UGA game, but if JL had not thrown those key interceptions against Bama (including yet another pick six) we would have won that game going away
Right that's completely different. I can't say he didn't hurt us that game, but the defense did drop a no doubt pick 6 as well, anyway, I just hope our fans can get over his first year as an sec qb and 4 year overall playing football because I think if he can get his head straight he can be a very effective qb.
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:38 pm to arobbi3
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I really don't think Miles helps when he refers to JJ as "our best QB". Our "starter", maybe, but it isn't a forgone conclusion that he is our "best".
He said this because he was miked up and he wanted JJ to have a good finish even though it didn't happen.
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:41 pm to arobbi3
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I just hope our fans can get over his first year as an sec qb
I wouldn't be a hard had he not sucked in the Bama an LaTech game.
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:49 pm to ffishstik
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he is still much too indecisive and relies too heavily on his feet, which doesn't bode well when you're a Quarterback
fixed it for you
Posted on 3/28/10 at 3:49 pm to lsutiger2486
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I wouldn't be a hard had he not sucked in the Bama an LaTech game.
The La Tech game was turrible. He looked as bad in that game as JJ looked yesterday. Bama was no fun, either, and JJ played pretty well in that game in contrast.
As for the stats that were posted, yes, JJ has posted better numbers. However, any supposed advantages that you give JL for having a perceived better OL and running game in 08 are (a) speculative and (b) probably negated by the fact that the defense that year was so pitiful that the offense had to force the vertical passing game early and often to keep up. And, unfortunately, LSU doesn't post stats on YAC (yards after catch). JJs numbers are greatly inflated by short catches that the receivers turned into big games. His vertical passing game has not been good.
This post was edited on 3/28/10 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 3/28/10 at 4:20 pm to ffishstik
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I really don't think Miles helps when he refers to JJ as "our best QB". Our "starter", maybe, but it isn't a forgone conclusion that he is our "best".
I'm not sure this is that big a deal. We all know that Miles has his own way of expressing things. It could be that he always refers to his starters as his "best" at that position. (And there's a certain logic to that.) If the team is used to hearing him refer to his starters that way, I would think that they probably just accept it for what it is and don't get too bent out of shape over the semantics. But, of course, that's just speculation on my part.
This post was edited on 3/28/10 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 3/28/10 at 4:28 pm to ffishstik
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JJs numbers are greatly inflated by short catches that the receivers turned into big games
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(a) speculative
What if Jefferson deliver the ball in a fashion that helped lead to those big gains.
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probably negated by the fact that the defense that year was so pitiful that the offense had to force the vertical passing game early and often to keep up
Lee also put the team in those positions in several games with the ints he threw.
I do agree that the secondary sucked in 2008; however, Jefferson was solid for a true freshman in 2008 in his two starts.
Posted on 3/28/10 at 4:33 pm to TigerCard
It is true that JJ may not throw interceptions but he can not put points on the board.The three and out stuff want cut it anymore.As for as the Ala. game goes he had put what 3 points on the board when he went out in the 3rd quarter.Thats real production,kinda sounds like the Fla. game.
Posted on 3/28/10 at 4:34 pm to TigerCard
It is true that JJ may not throw interceptions but he can not put points on the board.The three and out stuff want cut it anymore.As for as the Ala. game goes he had put what 3 points on the board when he went out in the 3rd quarter.Thats real production,kinda sounds like the Fla. game.
Posted on 3/28/10 at 4:37 pm to Tugwell City Tiger
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but he can not put points on the board.
The OL sucked last year leading to a horrible rushing game. If you think Lee has proven to be a better option to lead to points you are crazy. Do you remember his effort against Bama and LaTech.
LSU scored 69 points in Jefferson's two starts at the end of the 2008 season.
Lee has thrown close to the same number of TDs for the oter team as he has for LSU in his career.
This post was edited on 3/28/10 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 3/28/10 at 4:43 pm to Tugwell City Tiger
Why should JJ try? Miles has already crowned him the starter. BTW, I'd like to see the stats of where JJ's completions were. I figure most were within 7 yard of the line of scrimnmage (both sides of the LOS). Now, GC has to take a lot of the blame for that. But, they either wouldn't let him throw it over the middle or he wouldn't throw it there. I think he's affected (in a different way) by all the pick-6's JL threw the year before.
Posted on 3/28/10 at 4:45 pm to arobbi3
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I really wouldn't say Lee lost us the game.. He did throw 3 int one being a pick 6 but, we should win any game if we score 38 points. Our defense gave up 45 points that game and could not stop UGA at all.
lee threw 2 pick 6s in that game I believe
Posted on 3/28/10 at 4:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Not sure why Garrett didn't get more shaps.
the guy went 1-4 and was bailed out by shep on that 1 completion. all the other snaps he got were hand offs. They wanted to work on the running game and that is exactly what we saw yesterday.
JJ or Lee will start and they should. I think we are going to win some games with ridley and ford. still looking like a 2-3 loss season.
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