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re: Tom Herman's Resume
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:58 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:58 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Lombardi was just an "unproven assistant"
I realize that but you're going to get rid of one of the winningest head coaches in school history for some unproven guy that's won 10 games at Houston.
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:59 am to Solo Cam
quote:
Please read this.
I've read his accolades. They are impressive, but you people are talking about this guy as though he is God's gift to football.
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I'm sorry but Fedora has never won a national championship with a 3rd string QB and hung 600 yards of offense and 40 points on Alabama in a national semi-final.
Shouldn't Meyer be given just as much credit for the offense's success? Meyer has assembled prolific offenses at each and every stop throughout his career (Bowling Green, Utah, Florida, and now Ohio State).
Plus, let's not pretend like Alabama is infallible when it comes to defending the spread in these sort of big games. Utah, Oklahoma, Texas A & M, Ole Miss, Auburn, and Ohio State, have all embarrassed Alabama defenses in some respect.
If you are going to praise Herman's coaching performance in the 2014 College Football Playoff, then you better praise Josh Heupel and Jay Norvell's effort against Alabama in the 2014 Sugar Bowl against Oklahoma. Trevor Knight, a QB with only 25 touchdowns to his 19 career interceptions, torched a much more vaunted Alabama defense to the tune of 348 yards and four touchdowns.
Cardale Jones' performance was phenomenal, but perhaps he had no business ever being the 3rd-string QB. Maybe, he was always a superior talent compared to Miller and should have been the 2nd-string signal caller all along. There have been a number of backup quarterbacks who have excelled under various coaches (Cassell behind Palmer, Flynn behind Russell, Newton behind Tebow, Mettenberger behind Murray, etc.).
Ezekiel Elliott broke the will of Alabama's defense as much as anyone on that Buckeyes offense. Great running backs can do that regardless of offensive coordinators (e.g. Leonard Fournette).
I'm not saying that Herman isn't a great up-and-coming coach. He very well might be the next Malzahn, Meyer, Rodriguez, Freeze, etc. However, he still has not proven his worth as a head coach. Not yet.
This would be just about the biggest gamble LSU could possibly take on a new head coach (aside from candidates with questionable character such as Kiffin).
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 10:03 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:59 am to Y.A. Tittle
All 4 big dogs -lsu, usc, miami and vt are sure to express interest in him. Depends where he feels most comfortable wrt recruiting, family and pressure to win
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:00 am to tress4pres
quote:Tom Herman doesn't seem like the type that is trying for comfy and 2nd tier. Seems like a type A that wants to win a Superbowl 1 day. Anyone close to the situation realizes that we're not torching Miles for losing games, we're torching him for how and who his is losing too. We shouldn't be getting our arse kicked every year running the exact same scheme and downgrading our coaches.
tress4pres
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:01 am to LC-LSU-FAN
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I realize that but you're going to get rid of one of the winningest head coaches in school history for some unproven guy that's won 10 games at Houston.
The question you have to ask is who do you think is more likely to win the most games at LSU going forward, bot looking back.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:03 am to Solo Cam
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It also doesn't hurt that Herman is a member of Mensa International.
As someone who values academia, scholastic achievement, and intellect, I can say confidently that I don't give a damn whether or not a coach is a literal genius.
If the individual is a genius when it comes to coaching then that's fantastic.
However, it shouldn't be that significant of an attribute when it comes to evaluating his coaching abilities. If it is that big of a factor, then why are more geniuses not approached about devising offensive or defensive schemes?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:03 am to Solo Cam
Herman over Jimbo for sure.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:06 am to Draconian Sanctions
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The question you have to ask is who do you think is more likely to win the most games at LSU going forward, bot looking back.
Do you think Herman would be here for 11 seasons. Go 110-32 win a national title 2 sec titles go to another national title and win 3 sec west division titles.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:07 am to saint amant steve
quote:2014 Ohio State vs 2015 Ohio State. Who do you think wins?
Shouldn't Meyer be given just as much credit for the offense's success? Meyer has assembled prolific offenses at each and every stop throughout his career
Also only 1 factor has changed.
quote:Saban was so impressed with what Herman did to him he flew him into Alabama. That's not a common occurrence
Plus, let's not pretend like Alabama is infallible when it comes to defending the spread in these sort of big games. Utah, Oklahoma, Texas A & M, Ole Miss, Auburn, and Ohio State, have all embarrassed Alabama defenses in some respect.
quote:I respectfully disagree. But I get where you're coming from and you're totally justified.
This would be just about the biggest gamble LSU could possibly take on a new head coach
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:07 am to saint amant steve
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If it is that big of a factor, then why are more geniuses not approached about devising offensive or defensive schemes?
well, football is notoriously nepotistic and tranditionally a closed shop to outsiders who didn't play the game at a high level or is a kid of someone who coached at a high level.
I do agree that you can overvalue intelligence to some degree. That said I do think it should be a factor and a big one.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 10:10 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:09 am to Solo Cam
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I respectfully disagree. But I get where you're coming from and you're totally justified.
I get the argument that he doesn't have the experience yet. It's a valid concern.
I still think it would be a great hire.
I also really like Pat Fitzgerald but he's not on the radar it appears.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:10 am to saint amant steve
quote:
As someone who values academia, scholastic achievement, and intellect, I can say confidently that I don't give a damn whether or not a coach is a literal genius.
If the individual is a genius when it comes to coaching then that's fantastic.
However, it shouldn't be that significant of an attribute when it comes to evaluating his coaching abilities. If it is that big of a factor, then why are more geniuses not approached about devising offensive or defensive schemes?
I was using it as a plus, not primary motivation. His track record speaks for itself. It just also happens to help that he's extremely intelligent.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:10 am to LC-LSU-FAN
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Do you think Herman would be here for 11 seasons. Go 110-32 win a national title 2 sec titles go to another national title and win 3 sec west division titles.
I don't know but if you started the clock over today I don't think les would come close to that standard moving forward either.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:11 am to LC-LSU-FAN
quote:Do you think over the next 11 season Herman or Les? Living in the past is a fool's errand. That's exactly how Texas let Mack Brown drive them into mediocrity.
Do you think Herman would be here for 11 seasons. Go 110-32 win a national title 2 sec titles go to another national title and win 3 sec west division titles.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:16 am to Solo Cam
Don't get me wrong I think it's time we make a move but idk how I feel about Herman. And I don't get why some people are wanting him over Jimbo. Maybe it's lack of info I have on Herman.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:16 am to OU812
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I am not for Fisher coming here.
Great... We already have anti-Fisher camps. That didn't take long.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:16 am to Solo Cam
Jimbo Fisher and Chip Kelly are home-run hires, IMO. Either one of them ignites a ton of interest in the LSU program and silences any and all public/media scrutiny and criticism.
Tom Herman? LSU will probably take some heat for that kind of hire, but he has a ton of potential.
The lack of experience is a concern. The lack of big-time pressure (as HC) is a concern. I'd also worry about his offensive system: what does he run? A pass-oriented spread? Is that going to work at LSU, week 1?
Tom Herman? LSU will probably take some heat for that kind of hire, but he has a ton of potential.
The lack of experience is a concern. The lack of big-time pressure (as HC) is a concern. I'd also worry about his offensive system: what does he run? A pass-oriented spread? Is that going to work at LSU, week 1?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:17 am to Draconian Sanctions
UH has produced Art Briles, Kevin Sumlin and Dana Holgorson, all offensive minded coaches. This works at UH because the spread offense allows them to compete with bigger, stronger teams, but whoever takes over at LSU will have to integrate spread concepts into the pro-style offense our personnel is suited for, and continue to field good defenses. I think Herman is worth the risk because he was able to do this at OSU, but it does depend strongly on who becomes DC.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:18 am to LC-LSU-FAN
quote:You're right to be skeptical man. This cat looks like a sure thing, but you can never really tell.
Don't get me wrong I think it's time we make a move but idk how I feel about Herman. And I don't get why some people are wanting him over Jimbo. Maybe it's lack of info I have on Herma
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:19 am to St Jean The Baptiste
If all of this is true about Miles then yea he would be a good hire ut seems. But man all this is going down like warp speed. I really dont want to lose Frank Wilson and O unless they get HC jobs,
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