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re: Why is Jefferson not an sec type quarterback?
Posted on 1/25/10 at 4:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/25/10 at 4:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:They were smart with RP, he had a package of plays that played to his strengths, and they ran them over and over again because nobody could stop them. They never asked RP to do something he couldn't do.
People blame RP, and I say poppycock. No one expected RP to make it 4 years at LSU and why there wasn't other recruits on the bench at that time is inexcusable.
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Posted on 1/25/10 at 4:25 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
Well hopefully will have more time to work with JJ. Keep faith people.
Posted on 1/25/10 at 4:34 pm to Flatyger
I think JJ's biggest weakness is a lack of SAVVY.To me appears to be to robotic,nothing seems to come natural for him.He IMO is just like Jason Campbell was as a collegian.Weather the light ever goes on is the question.
Posted on 1/25/10 at 4:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I have been as critical about Jefferson as anyone but I do believe he will be very good next year.
He has the size and arm strength to be a great pocket passer. He is not as fast as some thought but elusive enough.
As others have said, he did not appear to grasp the mental aspect of the game this year. Hopefully the game has slowed down for him and he can build off his experience from last year.]
As for those saying he didn't improve, I completely disagree. He was a better QB at the end then he was at the beginning. Not a night and day transformation, but he was better.
Let's hope the kid utterly commits himself this offseason to studying SEC defenses. It would be great if he spent a couple hours each day in the film room.
He has the size and arm strength to be a great pocket passer. He is not as fast as some thought but elusive enough.
As others have said, he did not appear to grasp the mental aspect of the game this year. Hopefully the game has slowed down for him and he can build off his experience from last year.]
As for those saying he didn't improve, I completely disagree. He was a better QB at the end then he was at the beginning. Not a night and day transformation, but he was better.
Let's hope the kid utterly commits himself this offseason to studying SEC defenses. It would be great if he spent a couple hours each day in the film room.
Posted on 1/25/10 at 4:47 pm to natethegreat
quote:
Flynn, Tebow, manning
One of these is not like the other.
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Why is Jefferson not an sec type quarterback?
He'll be fine ... I expect him to improve over the offseason. Go look up the numbers for other QBs their sophmore years ... Matt Ryan, JR, Matt Stafford, Brady Quinn, Vince Young. Jefferson's numbers are comparable to all of them. Fact is that most young QBs get better and Jefferson was a young QB.
He does need to improve on his pocket awareness and learn to scramble a little. And his deep ball ... he needs to start connecting on that a lot more than he has. But if we had a decent rushing attack, JJ would've looked a lot better.
Posted on 1/25/10 at 4:53 pm to amiznit
exactly.i wish lsu people would stop talking about flynn as if he is the gold standard. he sucked donkey balls in lots of key games as a 5th yr senior. it makes lsu people look stupid to put flynn in the same sentence as tevbow and manning. and yes i know manning didnt win a championship but not every team can play in a championship game with 2 loosses
Posted on 1/25/10 at 4:59 pm to natethegreat
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So I ask: what is an sec caliber quarterback anyway? And is it really fair to compare him to the likes of Flynn,
Jefferson has far more raw talent and potential then Matt Flynn ever did. Truth.
I don't know why you don't think JJ is an SEC QB. He was a frickin sophomore. Cut him some slack. He'll improve.
Posted on 1/25/10 at 5:03 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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They never asked RP to do something he couldn't do.
RP can do anything you would ever ask any QB to do. I am dead serious when I say that, too. He can make all the throws and he can run, too.
What do you think RP "can't" do?
Seriously, he'll be a low round draft pick (6th or 7th) because of character issues. But he still has more NFL talent than most of the top QBs in the draft this year. If he gets his head on straight, he's got all the physical tools to be a successful NFL QB, something that cannot be said for a Colt McCoy or a Sam Bradford or a Tim Tebow.
Posted on 1/25/10 at 5:16 pm to TxTiger82
That may very well be the dumbest thing I have ever read! It makes me mad every day that we signed RP instead of Mccoy, just think what the possibilities could have been. RP does have physical tools, but you are missing one factor that will keep him from becoming a solid NFL QB, HE IS AN IDIOT!!!!!!!! He was afforded more chances than most guys on the team would have been given, and he still f**cked it up. By the way RP might have a great arm but he is not even in the same league of a passer as Mccoy or Bradford. Not to mention he has none of the intangibles of the above mentioned QBs, like leadership. 
Posted on 1/25/10 at 5:35 pm to TigerPanzer
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He improved from the first game to the last
please justify this opinion/assertion. Some said he went backwards since the GaTech game thru the 2009 season.
What are you basing this on?
Posted on 1/25/10 at 5:43 pm to therocketscientist
quote:
Some said he went backwards since the GaTech game thru the 2009 season.
anyone with half a brain knows he improved as the year went on.
could he be better? yes
can LSU get someone to teach him? Hopefully
Jarrett Lee has been in the program since january 2007, and he regressed like a motherfricker over the last two seasons.
Something isn't right.
Posted on 1/25/10 at 5:52 pm to natethegreat
quote:
Why is Jefferson not an sec type quarterback?
Might have something to do with a failure to develop him through coaching. DUH!
Posted on 1/25/10 at 5:57 pm to TheDoc
I can't thing of a single area JJ improved in as the year went on. Improvement means consistantly playing better, not just a play here and there. JJ had his best game against Alabama and if doesn't get hurt I believe we win. I hope he does improve but don't think he has yet.
Posted on 1/25/10 at 5:59 pm to dale10
Hopefully Billy Gonzales will help him out.
Posted on 1/25/10 at 5:59 pm to natethegreat
This is a stupid thread. what exactly is a SEC style QB?
Posted on 1/25/10 at 6:00 pm to TheDoc
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anyone with half a brain knows he improved as the year went on.
Naw, I am going to disagree. Look at the stats vs UDub. JJ played a solid game, he only went backwards from there. Got to the point he was scared to pull the trigger. Not knocking him, but clearly he isn't getting any help. He may have some points that he is improving on, but as a total QB, no...
Posted on 1/25/10 at 6:02 pm to sorantable
Its not that jj doesnt have the skills. It seems he just doesnt have the it!Like run to win,not just to escape.The ability to look at second even third recievers.Read the defence or at least look like you do.Throw passes to recievers not at thier feet or over thier head.Be the leader a qb is supposed to be.He has played the whole year , how would you define him or how would the sport writers define him?
Posted on 1/25/10 at 6:07 pm to TheDoc
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anyone with half a brain knows he improved as the year went on
baseless, emotional assertion
by what criteria, quantitative or otherwsie/observationsl are you referring to?
His pocket presence seemed to digress. His passing was at best the same. His sacks-taken increased. His down field passes did not get better. His passing accuracy did not improve.
Where did the season long improving you assert occur?
Posted on 1/25/10 at 6:20 pm to therocketscientist
if you cant tell jj got better with his pocket awareness( he took far less sacls in his last 3 games), or that he got more comfortable throwing the deep ball( perfect deep ball throws to rr and tt), also he got better reading presnap defenses( the adjustment in the penn state game). if you expect any qb to be succesfull with no running game u are gonna be disappointed. jj had basically the same stats as flynn did as a senior and half of you idiots would gargle flynns balls in ur mouth. stop saying jj didnt improve. it makes u look stupid
Posted on 1/25/10 at 6:27 pm to CAJUN LSU MAN
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jj had basically the same stats as flynn did as a senior and half of you idiots would gargle flynns balls in ur mouth. stop saying jj didnt improve. it makes u look stupid
If you are looking at stats to prove JJ is a competent SEC QB right now, it makes you "look stupid." Its not what JJ does that is a problem, its what JJ doesn't do that's a problem. LSU needs a dedicated or better QB coach.
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