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re: Why such an outcry for a 3rd stringer leaving the team???
Posted on 7/10/10 at 2:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 7/10/10 at 2:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How many people were advocating Garrett becoming the man, this year?
Check out the old Garret threads that admins anchored
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Posted on 7/10/10 at 2:09 pm to wilfont
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I think Garrett leaving the team is resonating with fans to this degree because many of us aren't convinced Jefferson or Lee can take this team to Atlanta and harbored hope garrett was the real deal and would emerge this year. With him gone so is much of that hope. Admittedly that hope may not have been realistic but it was something.
Yep, but now all that 'hope' is transferred to ZLee, it's all about the future. But in the end, I don't think anyone on the rant is going to lose any sleep about the loss of a 3rd string QB that never saw the field, plus this gives us another scholly to use.
Posted on 7/10/10 at 2:15 pm to TheDoc
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It would be really funny if zach lee beat out jordan and jarrett
There is a better chance of Godzilla rising out of the Mississippi River and destroying Baton Rouge.
Posted on 7/10/10 at 2:18 pm to TheDoc
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How many people were advocating Garrett becoming the man, this year?
Check out the old Garret threads that admins anchored
How many? 10% of the fanbase?
Its the depth.
Posted on 7/10/10 at 2:19 pm to Tiger in Texas
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But in the end, I don't think anyone on the rant is going to lose any sleep about the loss of a 3rd string QB that never saw the field, plus this gives us another scholly to use.
Right. LSU has two scholorship QB's. Three if Lee comes, and is a true frosh.
Good point, no one needs depth. The future is solid.
Posted on 7/10/10 at 2:20 pm to TGFN57
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There is a better chance of Godzilla rising out of the Mississippi River and destroying Baton Rouge.
What about if Jefferson gets dinged and lee has a la tech type game? Think Les would pull the trigger?
This season is going to be interesting.
Posted on 7/10/10 at 2:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Depth
I know, but if he didn't have a good attitude and bad leadership, what's the big deal?
Is lsu really losing "quality depth" with him?
Posted on 7/10/10 at 2:25 pm to TheDoc
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It would be really funny if zach lee beat out jordan and jarrett
That would be something. If he proved to be the best of the three and Les moved him into the starting role, if nothing else, it would restore some of the absolute confidence I once put in Leslie.
Posted on 7/10/10 at 2:28 pm to TheDoc
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I know, but if he didn't have a good attitude and bad leadership, what's the big deal?
Bad depth is still better than no depth.
Posted on 7/10/10 at 3:35 pm to TheDoc
Doc, I'm disappointed in you, you usually see things the politically correct way, I'm not sayin this kid was treated bad by Miles, but I remember an article awhile back before this kid signed with LSU and the outrage it caused his family because he chose them. The kid did say something to the effect of being very impressed with LSU's facilities athletic and academic, and that Miles told him he would have a chance to compete for the QB job.
Now he's gone, he knows Jefferson and Lee are gonna be there for awhile, no big deal to me.
Now he's gone, he knows Jefferson and Lee are gonna be there for awhile, no big deal to me.
This post was edited on 7/10/10 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 7/10/10 at 3:49 pm to TGFN57
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It would be really funny if zach lee beat out jordan and jarrett
There is a better chance of Godzilla rising out of the Mississippi River and destroying Baton Rouge.
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2. The reason all the chatter exists is that 2 QB's seems thin.
Its possible someone other than JJ and JL is going to take snaps in a meaningful series.
Posted on 7/10/10 at 4:30 pm to ottothewise
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2. The reason all the chatter exists is that 2 QB's seems thin.
Amazing, few seem to get it. But hell, we have two solid potential starters, no biggie....
Posted on 7/10/10 at 6:06 pm to FLObserver
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Why such an outcry for a 3rd stringer leaving the team???
There are basically two schools of thought that are affected by this.
One was based on the fact that Jefferson and J. Lee have been disappointing, and the hope was that Garrett was, at long last, a real talent who could develop into a good QB and possibly unseat them, if not this year then next.
The other was based on the assumption that Jefferson and J. Lee are entrenched as #1 and #2 until the end of 2011 when their eligibility ends, and the hope that Garrett could be brought along for these next two years and be ready to step in and be effective in 2012.
Both of these schools of thought rested their hopes on the possibility that all of the failures in QB evaluation/recruiting/development over the past few years were just flukes and that, eventually, the streak of futility would end, hopefully in the person of Garrett. His flameout destroyed those hopes and now people of both schools of thought above are finally aware of what was apparently true all along...that Garrett is just another in an increasingly long line of failures by this coaching staff to find, recruit and develop a real quarterback. Understandably, they are disappointed that, in the sixth year of this coaching regime, we are still waiting for them to do that for the first time.
Their next chance is Zach Lee. Maybe he will be what Perrilloux, J. Lee, Jefferson, Shepard and Garrett were not: a quarterback they can coach or who can succeed without coaching. The former appears to be a mythical creature, while the latter is almost as hard to find.
Posted on 7/10/10 at 7:04 pm to Nuts4LSU
"Garrett is just another in an increasingly long line of failures by this coaching staff to find, recruit and develop a real quarterback. Understandably, they are disappointed that, in the sixth year of this coaching regime, we are still waiting for them to do that for the first time."
I get the recruit part but Miles had JR for 2 years and won a boat-load of games with him. Miles had Flynn for 3 years and won a NC his final year. RP was set to win big next. He was physically ready and prepared but you know where it went from there. All heck broke loose and our freshmen got thrown to the wolves early. I think this is the year to see if JJ and JL have legitimately been coached and prepared. Most QBs really get it in their jr and sr years. (Davey, Mauck, Flynn, JR to some degree, and RP who was about to follow that same path). Let's see how it goes this year. I think many may be surprised.
I get the recruit part but Miles had JR for 2 years and won a boat-load of games with him. Miles had Flynn for 3 years and won a NC his final year. RP was set to win big next. He was physically ready and prepared but you know where it went from there. All heck broke loose and our freshmen got thrown to the wolves early. I think this is the year to see if JJ and JL have legitimately been coached and prepared. Most QBs really get it in their jr and sr years. (Davey, Mauck, Flynn, JR to some degree, and RP who was about to follow that same path). Let's see how it goes this year. I think many may be surprised.
Posted on 7/10/10 at 7:39 pm to geauxjo
Depth...we're fine, don't really care; however,
I just don't like how coaches take scholarships back. These kids do not know they are signing "conditional" scholarship offers (based on performance on a football field).
Now we don't know the entire story, but unless the kid violated team rules, did drugs, got in trouble, couldn't make it academically, was a cancer to the team, or wanted to leave and asked for a release..then he should be allowed to stay under the scholarship that was given to him...how many chances did RP get??
I know it happens, but this is the first time I have heard of it in awhile (taking a scholarship back), and if it is true that they found out via mail..and not a call from the Head Coach..that is classless..truly says "winning is more important than these kid's life"
My 2 cents..
I just don't like how coaches take scholarships back. These kids do not know they are signing "conditional" scholarship offers (based on performance on a football field).
Now we don't know the entire story, but unless the kid violated team rules, did drugs, got in trouble, couldn't make it academically, was a cancer to the team, or wanted to leave and asked for a release..then he should be allowed to stay under the scholarship that was given to him...how many chances did RP get??
I know it happens, but this is the first time I have heard of it in awhile (taking a scholarship back), and if it is true that they found out via mail..and not a call from the Head Coach..that is classless..truly says "winning is more important than these kid's life"
My 2 cents..
Posted on 7/10/10 at 7:50 pm to TheDoc
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What about if Jefferson gets dinged and lee has a la tech type game? Think Les would pull the trigger?
The scenario you describe has only a slightly better chance of happening than Godzilla coming.
Posted on 7/10/10 at 9:42 pm to geauxjo
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Miles had JR for 2 years and won a boat-load of games with him. Miles had Flynn for 3 years and won a NC his final year.
Those were better recruits (overall, considering attitude, talent, etc.) than we've seen since Miles got here, and the effect of Jimbo Fisher on those guys cannot be ignored. Jimbo might not have been all that spectacular as an OC or play-caller, but he was unquestionably very good at developing QBs. Russell and Flynn were products of either Saban's recruiting or Fisher's coaching or, more likely, both. Once Fisher left, that was it for developing QBs at LSU. Perrilloux, having a couple of years of Fisher's help before 2007, was pretty good, but his attitude issue made him a bust.
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All heck broke loose and our freshmen got thrown to the wolves early.
Jefferson wasn't really thrown to the wolves until his sophomore year. J. Lee was starting as a RS Freshman, but a year later he didn't look any better.
By contrast, in 2002, Marcus Randall was a sophomore, missed all of summer workouts, a lot of fall practice, and was suddenly thrust into the starting job by an injury in midseason, yet still, even with all those problems, was actually playing pretty well by the end of the year against Arkansas and Texas. Two months, not two years. It's the difference between a coach who can teach QBs to be better and one who can't.
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I think this is the year to see if JJ and JL have legitimately been coached and prepared. Most QBs really get it in their jr and sr years. (Davey, Mauck, Flynn, JR to some degree, and RP who was about to follow that same path).
Maybe so on Lee and Jefferson, but I disagree with your examples, and your conclusion that the junior year is when QBs suddenly get it. Mauck was very good by the middle of 2002 (his sophomore year) before he got hurt, not to mention leading the win over Tennessee in the SECCG as a freshman. Russell was amazing in his sophomore year of 2005, and although inconsistent, was very good as a freshman. In addition to saving our asses against Oregon State in the first game of his career, he basically won the Capital One Bowl against Iowa even though he only played one quarter and we were down 12 points when he came in. Flynn got only one real opportunity in his sophomore year of 2005, and that was a 40-3 shellacking of a top 10 defense in the Peach Bowl. About the only one of your examples that might be valid was Davey, and that was because his freshman and sophomore years were under the ridiculous circus of the DiNardo flameout, plus he was injured a lot at that time.
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Let's see how it goes this year. I think many may be surprised.
Well, it's a guarantee that some will, because there are people on both sides of the fence on this. If one of them does finally get it this year, it'll be the first time in six years here that this coaching regime has recruited and developed a QB.
This post was edited on 7/10/10 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 7/11/10 at 1:51 am to Nuts4LSU
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he basically won the Capital One Bowl against Iowa even though he only played one quarter and we were down 12 points when he came in.
Uh huh, yea peewee. Too bad a completely horrible coaching job by Nick a-hole LOST the game for us.
Posted on 7/11/10 at 6:17 am to FLObserver
Because the #1 and #2 in,front of him aren't that good.
Posted on 7/11/10 at 6:50 am to tubucoco
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Miles wasted 2 years of this kids life when he could have been playin at MSU.
Miles forced him to sign and stay? Gun at his head, Captain Clueless?
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