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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:36 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:36 pm to
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it is never a bad thing to have a guy like Posey on your team.

if you can afford him

the hornets ownership said, "we're cheap" this offseason

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I like him over the Peja signing.

well yeah we overpaid for peja like a motherfricker
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:37 pm to
I'm ready for some Sean Marks!!!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:37 pm to
hilton armstrong is still developing, brah

we'll get a return on him when he's 30
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:38 pm to
I agree with the big man because Ely and Armstrong will always have problems but if West who has a nice touch would create more off the dribble, you know drive to the hole and create fouls, there would be no need for a slasher.
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:38 pm to
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I like him over the Peja signing.


well yeah we overpaid for peja like a motherfricker


Well harp on that then.......then I would agree with you.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:41 pm to
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but if West who has a nice touch would create more off the dribble, you know drive to the hole and create fouls, there would be no need for a slasher.

even if you count west, that's still only 2 guys who can create (i don't really count west)

what killed the hornets last year was a lack of offense, esp when paul had to sit
Posted by rmcc316
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:42 pm to
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if we don't make other free agent moves that are possibilities b/c of his salary and our owner being cheap i may lose my mind i'll put it that way


if if if.

you do realize we have arguably the best team in the league, right?

when we didn't draft anyone you said our owners were cheap and were going to pocket the money rather than sign a quality free agent. well, that was wrong so why do you still insist on saying their cheap?

i just want a yes or no answer. at this time, was it a bad signing?
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:43 pm to
well, blame the bad free agent signings because Mo Pete another waste of money was supposed to provide 3 pt shooting along with D, I'm still waiting on it.
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:43 pm to
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the hornets have garbage after chandler and west, and chandler can only do 1 thing on offense (finish alley oops)


how many teams have quality backup centers? they are backups for a reason. look at san antonio. they beat us w/ oberto and kurt thomas.
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:44 pm to
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well, blame the bad free agent signings because Mo Pete another waste of money was supposed to provide 3 pt shooting along with D, I'm still waiting on it.


so it's not the owners being cheap as much as it is actually overpaying.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:45 pm to
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you do realize we have arguably the best team in the league, right?

it is not built for playoff basketball

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when we didn't draft anyone you said our owners were cheap and were going to pocket the money rather than sign a quality free agent.

no

they are cheap and didn't sign both the 1st rounder and a FA. we also didn't re-sign pargo

it isn't an either/or. it's always been an "and" situation: they should have kept the first rounder AND signed a FA

not doing so is only explained by them being cheap

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was it a bad signing?

unless ownership starts spending money: yes
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:48 pm to
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they beat us w/ oberto and kurt thomas.

those are quality backups

thomas: 14.08 PER

obert: 13.57 PER

armstrong: 7.76 PER

ely: 9.13 PER
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:48 pm to
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it is not built for playoff basketball


You are wrong here. CP3 can D-Wade the Hornets to a title with the cast they have for sure IMO. Doesn't mean he will do it, but he sure as hell can put them on his back. Especially when you consider Paul has the ball in his hands MORE then Wade did.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:49 pm to
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so it's not the owners being cheap as much as it is actually overpaying.

they overpaid for peja

mo-pete was a midlevel guy, like posey, who does just about what posey does.

the hornets are like 18th in the NBA in salary this year (it will rise a lil when paul's extension kicks in)
Posted by danfraz
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:50 pm to
This signing is only seen as "great" if the Hornets make the NBA finals IMHO.

It's three games into the regular season, I will reserve judgement for atleast 2 or 3 more games out of at least 82
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:51 pm to
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You are wrong here. CP3 can D-Wade the Hornets to a title

cp3 doesn't have a shaq on this team. even west is a complimentary guy, as a jump-shooting big man who isn't good at posting up

and cp3 isn't the scorer wade was. he doesn't want to be, and in the playoffs at times it seems that he refuses to be that

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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:53 pm to
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it is not built for playoff basketball


huh? don't you think posey would have done wonders against that whip around spurs offense? isn't having a shite disturber exactly what you need for the playoffs? how do you define a team that is built for playoff basketball?

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they are cheap and didn't sign both the 1st rounder and a FA. we also didn't re-sign pargo


why do we care about pargo? he was a backup hybrid guard that was good at times.

didn't you say they were cheap and wouldn't sign a free agent after the draft?

the hornets are 18 of 30 teams in team payroll. thats right about where a team in a small hoops market and a just now forming fan base should be. do you disagree?

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unless ownership starts spending money: yes


that contradicts what you originally stated after the signing, correct?
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:53 pm to
Hornets are a solid team, I agree they need another big guy to back up Chandler, a body like Dallas has with Dampier and whatever his name is, Ely and Armstrong is not enough. but if Peterson steps his lame arse game up and West starts attacking the rim, you'll get the missing offense.

btw, Peja, I'vw always known will give you some 3 and that's it, if you get someone in his face at crunch time, like Bruce Bowen, he'll brickout everytime, so yeah, I gotta agree with you, they overpaid for him.
Posted by rmcc316
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:54 pm to
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those are quality backups


oberto isn't a backup.

are you telling me you'd rather have oberto and kurt thomas rather than chandler and ely or armstrong?
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
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Posted on 11/2/08 at 7:55 pm to
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cp3 doesn't have a shaq on this team. even west is a complimentary guy, as a jump-shooting big man who isn't good at posting up


IMO Chandler and West are probably a better front court then Shaq and Haslem were in 06. Shaq was getting pretty old at that point and Wade def. carried them.

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and cp3 isn't the scorer wade was. he doesn't want to be, and in the playoffs at times it seems that he refuses to be that


Paul is twice the ball handler and a much much better passer then Wade is. I would go as far as to say he is a better over all play maker. Wade just really has him in the Jordaneque type scoring skill.
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