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re: Best Player in the NBA right now
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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pj you can't just become amazing at midrange shooting, 3 point shooting, defense, posting up, etc in 1 offseason
He's been in the league for 8 years now. He has little to no improvement in these areas.
What's your fanboy excuse now? The elbow cancer? I'm sure you'll just blame his teammates in Cleveland despite them being good enough for him to win 130ish games with his last two seasons there.
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Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:48 am to SandStorm
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Howard
he JUST started putting in work in his post game and has as many years as a servicible post man as lebron does as an elite midrange guy
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Paul
no argument, but his body is breaking down
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Kobe
same as paul, but his midrange game and "clutch" mythology were always overrated
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Rose
not good at individual defense. can't shoot for shite consistently outside. he's basically a more limited version of lebron who is much more inconsistent
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Dirk
defense, defense, defense
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Rondo
dude can't shoot for shite
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Wade
more limited player than lebron with similar/bigger faults in the same areas. he's like rose
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Carmelo
defense, passing, driving. melo has a great individual offensive arsenal but is weak everywhere else other than rebounding
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I'm guessing you are just a blind fanboy so our discussion ends here as you've demonstrated time and time again from what I've seen in your posts that you always come in with preconceived notions and never actually listen to logic, especially if it disproves your egotistically conceived beliefs.
i like stats, actually
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:49 am to SandStorm
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Rose
Dirk (Best offensive player in the league and it's not even a debate)
Rondo
Wade
Carmelo
No, really
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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why did jordan wait so long to get a good outside shot?
What????
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wade still unable to shoot well from outside consistently?
again.. What?????
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there are very few totally/complete players in the NBA
And Lebron ISN'T one of them. He is gifted, But not elite. Nowhere neear a MJ type player. Bottom Line RIGHT NOW its Wade >>>>>>>>>>>> Bron.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:49 am to SandStorm
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He's been in the league for 8 years now.
he's only 26
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He has little to no improvement in these areas.
why do you keep arguing with statistical proof?
and you say i'm being closed-minded and coming into the argument with preconceived notions, but you ignore reality
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm starting to think this is a gamecock alter
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:50 am to dukke v
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again.. What?????
pj go look up the stats
wade is a premier driver and drive/dish guy who struggles to be consistent from the outside
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its Wade >>>>>>>>>>>> Bron.
which areas make wade the better player?
lebron is a better outside shooter, midrange shooter, and defender. i'll say they're even in driving just to avoid the argument. so what is wade doing so much better than lebron?
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:51 am to SandStorm
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I haven't seen you contribute anything to any thread you've posted in.
You didn't read this thread then. I was the first person to use actual statistics to support any kind of argument in this thread, and I'm still the only person to post a link. My posts have been more substantive than your mini-novellas full of idiocy
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:51 am to TulaneTigerFan
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I'm starting to think this is a gamecock alter
i believe that has been alleged before
darude's "sandstorm" is the USCe pump up song, too
LINK
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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pj go look up the stats
wade is a premier driver and drive/dish guy who struggles to be consistent from the outside
frick the stats. Bron in the playoffs choked teh last two years. Wade carried the Team to the finals and help them way more in the Finals than Bron did.
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lebron is a better outside shooter, midrange shooter, and defender
I will give you defender and thats it.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:54 am to TulaneTigerFan
i even gave kobe props in terms of having a complete game. he's just old now. body is breaking down
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:55 am to dukke v
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Wade carried the Team to the finals and help them way more in the Finals than Bron did.
Lebron actually carried them to the finals, although Wade was better once they got there
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:55 am to dukke v
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Wade carried the Team to the finals
in the finals maybe. wade sucked in the ECF and lebron was going apeshit on the bulls on both sides of the court
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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Howard
he JUST started putting in work in his post game and has as many years as a servicible post man as lebron does as an elite midrange guy
Howard is more dominant at his position and in his area of play than LeBron and it's not even close.
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Paul
no argument, but his body is breaking down
It's been "breaking down" for 3-4 years now. He's still in the league.
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Kobe
same as paul, but his midrange game and "clutch" mythology were always overrated
Not really. There is more to clutch than just hitting the final shot.
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Rose
not good at individual defense. can't shoot for shite consistently outside. he's basically a more limited version of lebron who is much more inconsistent
Rose is one of the top 5 defensive points in the league and gets no credit for it. You tout LeBron's great perimeter play yet ignore the fact that Rose is a BETTER perimeter player. Don't give me that ECF comeback either unless you are stupid enough to believe that Rose had an equal amount of help that LeBron did - in which case you are continuing as a full blown retard.
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Dirk
defense, defense, defense
I don't recall Bosh lighting him up in the Finals. I don't recall Gasol lighting him up in the 2nd round. Hell he even held his own against Alridge in the first round.
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Rondo
dude can't shoot for shite
He's 8 inches shorter and weighs 90-100 less than LeBron is nearly as good of a rebounder. He's the best perimeter defender in the league PERIOD. So what if he can't hit a three? He doesn't take many anyways. He's smart enough to differ to Ray Allen for that.
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Carmelo
defense, passing, driving. melo has a great individual offensive arsenal but is weak everywhere else other than rebounding
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i like stats, actually
26.0 points in the Finals > 17.8 in the Finals.
Game. Set. Match. frick off.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:57 am to TulaneTigerFan
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Lebron actually carried them to the finals, although Wade was better once they got there
OK. He is a CHOKER THEN.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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He's been in the league for 8 years now.
he's only 26
He's been receiving NBA coaching for 8 years. What's stopped him from reaching out to receive more training/coaching?
He has no one to blame but himself.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:59 am to SandStorm
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He's been receiving NBA coaching for 8 years. What's stopped him from reaching out to receive more training/coaching?
He has no one to blame but himself.
Can't argue this. I agree.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:02 am to SandStorm
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You tout LeBron's great perimeter play yet ignore the fact that Rose is a BETTER perimeter player.
How is Rose a better perimeter player? His inferior shooting? He's a PG who can't pass or shoot as well as Lebron.
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He's the best perimeter defender in the league PERIOD.
Rondo is not the best perimeter defender in the NBA.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:02 am to SandStorm
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Howard is more dominant at his position and in his area of play than LeBron and it's not even close.
more dominant b/c he's the only guy to compare himself with
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It's been "breaking down" for 3-4 years now. He's still in the league.
and not nearly the same player, and his inability to drive takes away from his "complete" game
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Not really. There is more to clutch than just hitting the final shot.
like what?
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Rose is one of the top 5 defensive points in the league and gets no credit for it.
his TEAM is amazing on D, but he's the weak link of the starting 5
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You tout LeBron's great perimeter play yet ignore the fact that Rose is a BETTER perimeter player.
based on what, exactly?
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Don't give me that ECF comeback either unless you are stupid enough to believe that Rose had an equal amount of help that LeBron did -
rose had a better 7-8 man rotation than lebron. lebron had the 2 best helpers
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He's 8 inches shorter and weighs 90-100 less than LeBron
irrelevant
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So what if he can't hit a three?
he can't even hit FTs
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26.0 points in the Finals > 17.8 in the Finals.
Game. Set. Match. frick off.
great sample size
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:03 am to TulaneTigerFan
Its LeBron easily. Put aside your bias hate, and forget about "the decision" and this will be easy for you to understand.
I hate LeBron and Kobe, so don't call me biased.
I hate LeBron and Kobe, so don't call me biased.
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