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Posted on 5/17/09 at 12:26 pm to LuckyLee
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The #1 overall pick always goes to a shitty team.
yeah but the raiders post-gruden have taken shitty management to a new level
i don't say this as a homer. it's reality
hell they couldn't even seal the deal with a college coach who was praying to get an NFL offer. they got turned down by a collegiate co-offensive coordinator also. before that they had to hire art shell b/c nobody else would take the job.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 12:34 pm to tduecen
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Curry was coming off a very good season 50+ catches 700+ yards.
that's a very good season??? 45 yards per game? Curry is a #3 WR, has never had 750 yards in a season, only had 2 or 3 remotely productive seasons in his 7 year career, and has started less than half of his career games.
Javon Walker has been done for 2 years. Signings like that by the Raiders are a big part of the problem. Terrible decision.
Lelie is done also. Dude is a head case, hasn't done shite since 2005, and doesn't have have his old top end speen anymore.
Russell basically has a good TE, a #3 WR in Curry, a KR turned WR trying to learn the position (Higgins), and rookie WR with questionable route running ability.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 12:36 pm to el tigre
let me be clear
it does sound like JR could be putting in more work, and that's on him
but his situation is beyond horrible. hell drafting DMac (who i love) was stupid. this year was horrible
it does sound like JR could be putting in more work, and that's on him
but his situation is beyond horrible. hell drafting DMac (who i love) was stupid. this year was horrible
Posted on 5/17/09 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it does sound like JR could be putting in more work, and that's on him
but his situation is beyond horrible. hell drafting DMac (who i love) was stupid. this year was horrible
oh yeah, i agree.
JR could do more....but he is fricked in OAK. D-Mac, DHB, Javon Walker???? all really stupid "flashy" moves.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:12 pm to shel311
On the flip side: how much was Elways salary at the time compared to Russells?
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
The Raiders were dead last in passing offense last year. Blaming the Raiders for everything, which JR apologists love to do, is a joke.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:31 pm to LuckyLee
a team with the worst WRs in the league and the worst pas blocking OL will likely be worst in passing
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
and then throw in a poor QB and its even worse
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:37 pm to LuckyLee
he wasn't close to the worst QB in the NFL at the end of last year
shite JRs passer rating (regular season) was 3 points below the SB winning QB's passer rating
shite JRs passer rating (regular season) was 3 points below the SB winning QB's passer rating
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he wasn't close to the worst QB in the NFL at the end of last year
And by the end of the year, you mean the last 3 game right?
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shite JRs passer rating (regular season) was 3 points below the SB winning QB's passer rating
That's just spin though Slo and you know it. Do you really think the the difference between the 2 players is that small? I hope not. JR was 26th in terms of passer rating in the NFL.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:47 pm to LuckyLee
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That's just spin though Slo and you know it.
not really
the 2 teams in the superbowl had a journeyman QB and big ben, who threw up an 80 rating in 2008
i've been saying this for years. to have a great team, you need a great team. to have a winning QB, you need a winning team
i'm not saying JR is a winner, but goddamn he has a shite sandwich all around him. similar situations killed tim couch and david carr. it has nothing to do with JR being from LSU. it has to do with similar patterns of young QB killing
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ben played significantly better in the playoffs tan he did in the regular season.
Do you think the Steelers are a playoff team next year with JR at QB? I like stats and they definitely matter, but leadership means a lot at QB.
I know JR is your guy slo, nothing wrong with that.
Do you think the Steelers are a playoff team next year with JR at QB? I like stats and they definitely matter, but leadership means a lot at QB.
I know JR is your guy slo, nothing wrong with that.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:56 pm to LuckyLee
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Do you think the Steelers are a playoff team next year with JR at QB?
absolutely. They were easily one this year with weak QB play.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 1:58 pm to LuckyLee
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Do you think the Steelers are a playoff team next year with JR at QB?
if he had been on pitt since his rookie year, likely
JR and big ben actually are similar. big guys who have big arms and try to make big plays (sometimes good, sometimes bad) who don't put in work in the offseason. ben has had some shitty years
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but leadership means a lot at QB.
leadership like calling out your WRs and GM publicly b/c you don't have a "big" WR?
which actually leads to a funny side note. big ben and plax were bff. big ben took after plax's "don't give a shite in the offseason" mentality, and that's why the steelers wouldn't re-sign him
then plax goes and leads the giants to the superbowl (With eli, another guy who was pretty shitty without talent around him and a great D)
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ben's passer rating by year, reg season only:
04 98
05 99
06 75
07 104
08 80
Career 89.4
He's a good QB who had an average year last year. To act like Big Ben is just an average QB in a good situation is ridiculous.
04 98
05 99
06 75
07 104
08 80
Career 89.4
He's a good QB who had an average year last year. To act like Big Ben is just an average QB in a good situation is ridiculous.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:04 pm to LuckyLee
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who had an average year last year.
no, he had a well below average year last year compared to other NFL starters. The Steelers would have still been a playoff team with Russell at QB, without a doubt.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:05 pm to el tigre
Its definitely not "without a doubt." Stats ain't everything for a QB.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:05 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Anyone coached under Kiffin to start his NFL career deserves to start fresh. I am sorry, but that idiot couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag, and people want to harp on JR? None of the QBs were successful in Oakland.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:05 pm to GeauxBob
Except this guy Rich Gannon who won a MVP there this decade.
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