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re: Great athletes that you had no idea that they were over rated
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:41 pm to Wayne Campbell
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:41 pm to Wayne Campbell
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And in those 200 more games, Vizquel had 1000 FEWER chances.
So Omar played in 200 more games than Ozzie but you are saying Ozzie had 1,000 more putouts than Omar.
Ok, I need a link for this one.
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 12:46 pm
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Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:42 pm to FootballNostradamus
Ozzie played before they juiced the ball and took steroids.
Shortstops and 2nd basemen were more valued for making plays in the hole and turning double plays because scores were more like 4-3 or 3-2, not 6-5 or 5-4 as they are now.
Did you study to see how many runs his defense saved ? If that study can't be done then there is no way you can understand his value in his era vs. this era.
Shortstops and 2nd basemen were more valued for making plays in the hole and turning double plays because scores were more like 4-3 or 3-2, not 6-5 or 5-4 as they are now.
Did you study to see how many runs his defense saved ? If that study can't be done then there is no way you can understand his value in his era vs. this era.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:04 pm to Buckeye06
quote:I don't seem to hear his name in "the conversation" too much, though. Seems like we all agree that he was 100% "reliable."
always jumps out is Troy Aikman. His SB stats obviously put him over the top, but his TD/INT ratio is pretty awful. 165/141
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:05 pm to Sevendust912
quote:These two are pointed out in this context so much that they're no longer overrated.
Namath
Archie Manning
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:07 pm to emmanuellewis
Asking because I don't know: Ozzie played his home games on turf. Does that or does that not inevitably make fielding harder?
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:17 pm to ballscaster
What are just the putouts for each of them?
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:20 pm to ballscaster
It gives cleaner hops but comes faster. That turf at StL was green cement.
Also the play Ozzie made in San Diego as a rookie tells you why he is considered the best I will try to find it and post it.
LINK
Also the play Ozzie made in San Diego as a rookie tells you why he is considered the best I will try to find it and post it.
LINK
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:22 pm to ctiger69
Assists are more important for a SS.
Total Chances - Put Outs - Assists
Vizquel (11961 - 4102 - 7676)
Smith (12905 - 4249 - 8375)
Total Chances - Put Outs - Assists
Vizquel (11961 - 4102 - 7676)
Smith (12905 - 4249 - 8375)
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:28 pm to Anfield Road
Looking back at his stats, I didn't realize how patient Smith was at the plate. His career .337 OBP is actually not too bad.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:57 pm to Overbrook
No one ever claimed Ozzie's offense was good(he hit 8th for a good portion of his career). What people claim is he's the most athletic and he had the most range of any SS ever and that is true. Although I think range is a bit overrated at SS(give me the guy with the superior arm). And had the best longevity of any SS.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 2:02 pm to ballscaster
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I don't seem to hear his name in "the conversation" too much, though. Seems like we all agree that he was 100% "reliable."
I see him pretty consistently listed as a top 15 QB when he's not even top 25
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/11/15 at 2:14 pm to ctiger69
You aren't winning this debate. You're ignorant when it comes to baseball. Just admit it.
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