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re: Just how impressive was Dan Marino's 1984 campaign?
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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both those guys had been on the Chiefs for awhile, why was that their first AFCCG appearance then?
Allowed 14.0 Pts against in the games they won that year
Id say those two greats played a major role
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Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:17 pm to tankyank13
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Allowed 14.0 Pts against in the games they won that year
Id say those two greats played a major role
Same stat was 13.3 in 92
Didn't make the AFCCG though
This post was edited on 8/19/18 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:17 pm to tankyank13
Not that Collins and Carter were one of best DB combos in AFC? Jaime Fields was a machine? I get those two got the credit but Trotter and Collins is what made that Defense so good. The Chiefs when had DB’s were always great
They had a lull when Cherry and Lewis got old then replaced them with two ijust mentioned.
They had a lull when Cherry and Lewis got old then replaced them with two ijust mentioned.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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No, it was that Marino was not a winner
This is patently false, anyone with a brain and who knows anything about football knows Marino embodied winning and this is illustrated by his then-game-winning drives record and dates back to the 1982 Sugar Bowl when he threw that game-winning strike to John Brown against Georgia in the final seconds ON A DIME
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failed on the big stage at every point in his career
Also patently false otherwise he wouldn't have led the 84 Dolphins to Super Bowl XIX nor would he have led the Dolphins to victory over the 85 Bears on Monday Night Football
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When you're talking about the best of the best of the best you have to look for the little things to separate them, and while team success might not be a completely fair way to do it it's also farcical to try to diminish the effect a Joe Montana had on the game in those big moments. Was the supporting cast really that much better or maybe Montana just inspired confidence is his teammates when the game was on the line. That's the story they tell but i'm sure it was the system or whatever.
I'm not diminishing what Montana did, dude's a legend of the game, probably the most efficient QB ever not named Aaron Rodgers and submitted 2 of the most dominant Super Bowl performances of all-time, his legacy is what it is
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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OMG HE HAD A BAD GAME HERE AND THERE
has there ever been any quarterback ever that didn't?
Your argument collapsed when you made this statement, you can't apply a harsh standard relative to this to Marino then in the same argument turn around and apply a softer standard to Montana when he failed, thats called a contradiction and double-standard
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:22 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Also patently false otherwise he wouldn't have led the 84 Dolphins to Super Bowl XIX nor would he have led the Dolphins to victory over the 85 Bears on Monday Night Football
We're talking relative to the discussion we're having amongst the all time greats. You have to be a winner to even make it to the NFL in the first place obviously.
When you're #2 piece of evidence is a random MNF win, that's a red flag.
This post was edited on 8/19/18 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Didn't make the AFCCG though
that cut and dry?
I givePosted on 8/19/18 at 5:24 pm to tankyank13
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that cut and dry?
I mean I don't even know what you're arguing anymore to be honest.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I mean I don't even know what you're arguing anymore to be honest.
I think we are still arguing the point that Montana dragged an average team to the Conf championship. when Montana had a below average year
This post was edited on 8/19/18 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:29 pm to tankyank13
I thought we were refuting the absurd claims of PTE still?
Did I move too far ahead in the book?
Did I move too far ahead in the book?
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Marino did not have the same mental makeup to elevate his game in the biggest moments
Sure he could do it against the Jets in week 6 or whatever but I don't see Marino taking the 49ers down the field in the 81 NFCCG against the Cowboys, nor do I see him bringing them back in Super Bowl 23.
Can anyone actually prove this mental makeup BS people resort to when their arguments are too weak?
If Marino didn't possess this "mental makeup" people throw around like a beanbag, he doesn't throw the game-winner in the Sugar Bowl, he doesn't lead the 84 Dolphins to Super Bowl XIX, he certainly doesn't shatter the passing record that year, he certainly doesn't pick apart the 85 Bears on Monday Night, he DEFINITELY doesn't achieve the all-time game-winning drives record, and he doesn't come off the Achilles injury and submit one of his greatest seasons AT AGE 33 NO LESS, the goalpost moving in this topic to detract from one of the all-time great QBs is simply ridiculous. BTW lets not forget Marino was probably the best QB in pro football AS A ROOKIE, check the numbers bro.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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When you're #2 piece of evidence is a random MNF win, that's a red flag.
Marino was the only QB that season to overcome the 46 defense and did it on primetime and prevented a 19-0 85 Bears, you're seriously overlooking the significance of that regular game at an absurd level
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:32 pm to sms151t
yes back up some
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Remember that 1998 Miami team that had the best defense in football?
A defense that gave up almost 10 ypc to TD? That defense that gave up 31 offensive points?
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:34 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Brady >>>
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:35 pm to ThePTExperience1969
So why are you not touting Mark Malone as an all time great for him interrupting the Niners 19-0 season?
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:35 pm to sms151t
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I thought we were refuting the absurd claims of PTE still?
I love that this is how you classify my claims, BERT JONES BITCH
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:37 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Because they are absurd. I’m sorry you aren’t very good at this. As just mentioned you throw Marino up for greatness based on a regular season game so why not Malone for same thing?
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:38 pm to theducks
Montana always had a defense to back him up
only 4 times in his career did Marino play with a top ten defense, two of those where his first two years in the league.
only 4 times in his career did Marino play with a top ten defense, two of those where his first two years in the league.
This post was edited on 8/19/18 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 8/19/18 at 5:46 pm to tankyank13
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Montana always had a defense to back him up
Not only a defense, one of the best defenses of the era, seem to recall they virtually annually ranked among the top 5 overall throughout the 80s sometimes would rank no. 1
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