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re: Lesner's Victory speech
Posted on 7/13/09 at 12:59 pm to lsu480
Posted on 7/13/09 at 12:59 pm to lsu480
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And yes he did ok in Pride
yeah, just OK. He has one career loss, which was prior to pride and was only due to a cut.
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but look how well those Pride guys have done once they got to the UFC
once they had to quit taking steroids and were over the hill?
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CroCop was the biggest joke of them all!
Cro Cop 4 years ago in a ring was definitely a joke. Dude SUCKED SO BAD.
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Posted on 7/13/09 at 1:03 pm to Maximus
They were all exposed when they got to UFC...thats all I am saying. If you think I am wrong look at their records in the UFC.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 1:03 pm to Maximus
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once they had to quit taking steroids and were over the hill?
No shite. I'm sure Mark Coleman wasn't on steroids while he was in pride. Just ask Shogun.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 1:12 pm to rmc
RMC, did u hear what Mir said after he beat Lesnar in their first fight?
It's called being humble.
It's called being humble.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 1:18 pm to rmc
Shaq wants Hong Man ChoiPosted on 7/13/09 at 1:31 pm to rmc
Most fighters do what Mir does (hype fight and be confident). I had no problems what Brock said pre-fight. Brock after the fight was a different animal. There's nothing Mir did atha is remotely close to that.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 1:32 pm to lsu480
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Fedor does a good job of beating people after they get let go from the UFC for losing
+1
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Win 30–1 (1) ArlovskiAndrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction: Day of Reckoning 02009-01-24 January 24, 2009 1 3:14 Anaheim, California, United States Defended WAMMA Heavyweight Championship
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Win 29–1 (1) SylviaTim Sylvia Submission (rear naked choke) Affliction: Banned 02008-07-19 July 19, 2008 1 0:36 Anaheim, California, United States Won vacant WAMMA Heavyweight Championship
Both were dropped from the UFC because they kept getting their asses beat. I'm not saying Fedor can't be the champ of the UFC. He's a bad motherfricker. But it's not going to be as easy as people think. All i'm saying is get him here already. Pay him what he wants. He's killing all these washed up fighters it's time to see what he's really got.
This post was edited on 7/13/09 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 7/13/09 at 1:33 pm to rmc
IMO, Fedor could probably hand Lesnar a loss, with that being said until it happens, i'm not gonna bash anyone who thinks otherwise. Fedor has not fought the top UFC competitors, which incidentally is the biggest MMA organization and most mainstream. So i think he would win, but i also think until he is a UFC fighter, then each person on here can give their own opinion without being called a dumbass.
Mir has always been an a-hole pre and post fight. I don't care how humble he was after this loss, he's still one of the biggest jackasses in the UFC, along with Penn and Bisbing.
Mir has always been an a-hole pre and post fight. I don't care how humble he was after this loss, he's still one of the biggest jackasses in the UFC, along with Penn and Bisbing.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 1:38 pm to jojothetireguy
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Bisbing
I think he'll shut his mouth for a little while
Posted on 7/13/09 at 1:42 pm to Run DMC
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I think he'll shut his mouth for a little while
i hope so.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 1:46 pm to Run DMC
-1
both AA and TS were highly ranked before they fought Fedor
both AA and TS were highly ranked before they fought Fedor
Posted on 7/13/09 at 1:52 pm to Run DMC
UFC has a very weak heavyweight division...it's ont he way up I guess...but that is why Randy Couture could step up and win like he did (he wasn't gonna win LW belt anymore) Just because Fedor isn't in UFC it's stupid thinking to think he's not fighting anyoen good or has ever fought anyone good.
Fedor has beat people fighting in UFC on Pride shows.
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (two time)
Heath Herring
Kevin Randleman
Mark Coleman (twice)
FilipovićMirko Filipović
Gary Goodridge
Mark Hunt
Has won the Pride HW Grand Prix and has a 26 fight win streak. In an era when you can get caught anytime...thats just awesome.
That said...it wouldn't be nearly as easy as people make it out for him to beat Lesnar...i've seen fights w/ Fedor in little bit of trouble..but he has fought people w/ retard strength before.
Fedor has beat people fighting in UFC on Pride shows.
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (two time)
Heath Herring
Kevin Randleman
Mark Coleman (twice)
FilipovićMirko Filipović
Gary Goodridge
Mark Hunt
Has won the Pride HW Grand Prix and has a 26 fight win streak. In an era when you can get caught anytime...thats just awesome.
That said...it wouldn't be nearly as easy as people make it out for him to beat Lesnar...i've seen fights w/ Fedor in little bit of trouble..but he has fought people w/ retard strength before.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 2:38 pm to fightingtiger2335
No way it would be easy for Fedor to beat Lesnar. Lesnar is the real deal. That said, I think Fedor would win if they fought this year. Give Lesnar 1 more year or so and 2-3 more fights and I think he has the experience to make a fight with Fedor too close to call (assuming both keep winning).
Posted on 7/13/09 at 2:59 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
I agree.
Lesnar has come a long, long ways from just being a strong guy.
He is developing ground skills and his defense skills on the ground are already noticably better than his first fight with Mir.
In a year or so I think he will be good enough on the ground to beat Fedor and possibly even knock him out. I dont give a shite how strong his chin is if Lesnar gets him in position on the ground and gets the hammer fist going there is no way in hell a ref is gonna let the fight continue.
Lesnar has come a long, long ways from just being a strong guy.
He is developing ground skills and his defense skills on the ground are already noticably better than his first fight with Mir.
In a year or so I think he will be good enough on the ground to beat Fedor and possibly even knock him out. I dont give a shite how strong his chin is if Lesnar gets him in position on the ground and gets the hammer fist going there is no way in hell a ref is gonna let the fight continue.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 3:56 pm to lsu480
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I know this much....I could break every bone in your face in less than 5 seconds. Pussy.
This post was edited on 7/13/09 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 7/13/09 at 4:24 pm to lsu480
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I could break every bone in your face in less than 5 seconds. Pussy.
Sig dibs.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 4:29 pm to SmackDaniels
I don't pretend that I'm as technically proficient or knowledgeable as some on here may be, but other than the shock value of a bloody swollen face (as opposed to a tap out where the guy gets up and looks fine), where is the domination that most people are giving Lesnar coming from? Mir started out the round strongly, but slipped and allowed Lesnar to ground him in a bad way and pound on him.
Lesnar is a massive guy with a great wrestling background, shows good improvement, and may end up being a dominating force. But as far as Saturday night is concerned, did he do much more than Mir did to him in the first fight: beat a decent, but not top-notch, fighter by capitalizing on a mistake? (Which, I know, is the point, but if that mistake wasn't made, what are the chances Lesnar gets gassed and isn't as effective?).
Can any gurus point to technique used by Lesnar in his stand-up and ground game showing he is, in fact, the real deal? Perhaps a highlight or summary of what he did right and wrong?
Thanks in advance. I've looked around and have not seen anything very detailed.
Lesnar is a massive guy with a great wrestling background, shows good improvement, and may end up being a dominating force. But as far as Saturday night is concerned, did he do much more than Mir did to him in the first fight: beat a decent, but not top-notch, fighter by capitalizing on a mistake? (Which, I know, is the point, but if that mistake wasn't made, what are the chances Lesnar gets gassed and isn't as effective?).
Can any gurus point to technique used by Lesnar in his stand-up and ground game showing he is, in fact, the real deal? Perhaps a highlight or summary of what he did right and wrong?
Thanks in advance. I've looked around and have not seen anything very detailed.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 5:02 pm to USMCTiger03
This is about to be discussed on SportsCenter
The tag line is: "was this good or bad for the UFC?"
Doesn't the fact that its ABOUT TO BE DISCUSSED ON SPORTSCENTER make this an automatic "yes"?
The tag line is: "was this good or bad for the UFC?"
Doesn't the fact that its ABOUT TO BE DISCUSSED ON SPORTSCENTER make this an automatic "yes"?
Posted on 7/13/09 at 5:41 pm to USMCTiger03
Lesnar showed poise and patience when on the ground this time as opposed to looking like a hyped up gorilla in the first match that was trying to end the fight under 2 minutes. He had a solid gameplan of controlling Mir on the ground, not getting into any scrambles or bad positions that would expose him to submission attempts, and wait for the right opportunity to unload his ground and pound. Getting a back side mount like he did on Mir (who is an extremely accomlished submission grappler) is an accomplishment in itself. Then in that position he was able to control Mir's hand to where he couldn't defend himself and end the fight.
As for the stand up, you could tell his plan was to use his reach advantage with his jab and work that then wait for the right opportunity to go for a takedown.
As for the stand up, you could tell his plan was to use his reach advantage with his jab and work that then wait for the right opportunity to go for a takedown.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 8:11 pm to USMCTiger03
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point to technique used by Lesnar in his stand-up and ground game showing he is, in fact, the real deal? Perhaps a highlight or summary of what he did right and wrong?
Although I'm not a guru, I have a decent background in boxing, Wrestling, and few years in Jiu-jitsu.
Stand up wise, Brock tends to keep his hands low, but thats most MMA Fighters, to be able to see the hips of an opponent. Hips are the clue to see leg strikes and shoot ins. Brock has not shown much in boxing skill due to very short fights and him wanting to take it to the ground. I suspect his coaches know that hes weak in this area and are game planning him to make it a ground fight. Lesnar has been rocked a couple of times by punches and a knee against Mir. I really want to see someone test his chin with some good striking. Randy showed that his conditioning needs to be worked on.
Wrestling skills are tuff to break down. In the Mir fight he showed that he could keep a solid base on top against a good fighter. It looked once or twice like he left an opening to slide out the back door, like Randy was able to in his fight. But Mir was unable to roll his hips to escape out the side. Brocks extra weight probably played into that. Hand control was the biggest issue for Mir to overcome in that fight. Brock easily controled Mir in half gaurd and was able to trap both arms with just one of his. Mir was also giving him an opportunity to lat-choke him but Lesnar never went for it (half-gaurd) not the best postion for it but can be done.
From what I've watched of him, Lesnar still needs work in submissions and stand up. But more fights are needed to see if hes worked in the areas. Like I said not one of his opponents have kept him on his feet very long to see what boxing skills he has.
Coulture's fight with Lesnar is the one to watch. More happened during that fight then all the others combined.
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