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re: Mahomes is the GOAT
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:54 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:54 pm to RollTide1987
That explains why his stats got better I guess
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:55 pm to GoGators1995
quote:
So NOW we should ignore passer rating and touchdowns thrown.
Mahomes’ passer rating is 6 points higher and his td% is .7% higher.
Brady is so clutch in the playoffs that his passer rating goes down by 8 points.
Mahomes’ passer rating goes up by 3 points in the playoffs.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:56 pm to Dairy Sanders
Last time I checked, 124 > 52.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:57 pm to Dairy Sanders
Right
Mahomes is clearly better in the postseason, the debate on that ship has sailed
All Brady has now is “I played for 25 years” stats, and those will fall eventually.
Mahomes is clearly better in the postseason, the debate on that ship has sailed
All Brady has now is “I played for 25 years” stats, and those will fall eventually.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:57 pm to GoGators1995
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:57 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Using a 2 year old alter with 100 posts.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:59 pm to GoGators1995
Nope
Other people can disagree with you, too, you know.
Other people also understand statistical averages and why they matter
Other people can disagree with you, too, you know.
Other people also understand statistical averages and why they matter
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:59 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Other people agree with me and reality that 124 > 52.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:02 am to Dalosaqy
quote:
No. Not even close.
he is trolling
one thing I like to point out in this debate, is Terry Bradshaw is in no way in line for GOAT status BUT he called all of his own plays for his entire career. He lead a great Steelers offense but he was responsible for keeping the balance that was so important to them. He could have easily aired it out to Stallworth and Swann but he didnt. That is pretty impressive no matter how you look at it.
Mahomes early career is similar to Unitas so far. Unitas had two NFL Championships by 26, but didnt win the NFL Championship again until 1968 when he was 35, splitting time with Earl Morrall due to injury. Then they lost to the AFL Champion Jets in the Super Bowl.
unitas won the super bowl V in 71, but he got knocked out in the 2nd Qtr and Morrall took them home for an ugly SB win.
This win tonight puts mahomes 3/4 at age 28, very very impressive resume and chasing Brady
Otto Graham won 46/47/48/49 in the AAFC then won the NFL Championship in 50/54/55 and retired as the reigning NFL MVP.
7 titles in 10 seasons is the gold standard for professional QBs, but it comes with an asterisk. Two different leagues
of course this was a far different era too and doesnt apply any more in many ways
I dont bother comparing QB stats, way too different rules and styles to do that fairly. Championships is a pretty fair metric in a some ways, did your team win when it mattered? As the QB were you instrumental in those wins?
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:02 am to CarolinaGamecock99
Mahomes can win 2 more SB’s and STILL not be the GOAT.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:03 am to GoGators1995
quote:
Last time I checked, 124 > 52.
The frick are you going on about swamp lizard?
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:04 am to dnm3305
Rings don’t matter much when evaluating one QB against another
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:04 am to Dairy Sanders
What's up, NawlinsTiger? 
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:08 am to NawlinsTiger9
quote:
Rings don’t matter much when evaluating one QB against another
what?
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:10 am to supatigah
Team sport
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:16 am to supatigah
QBs don’t play defense and special teams. This isn’t like the other team sports where you contribute both ways and impact the game more.
The best QB doesn’t always have the best team and even then the best team doesn’t always win the Super Bowl. Hell the best team Brady ever had didn’t win the Super Bowl and yet you somehow don’t hold that against him but want to praise him for being a warm body for 4 of the 7 Super Bowls his team won?
Peyton Manning was absolutely washed in 2015 and that easily the worst season of his career and yet his team won a SB in spite of him.
Russell Wilson did frick all in the 2013 Super Bowl and they won by 5 touchdowns. He had the best game of his career in the Super Bowl (until that last pass) and vastly outplayed Brady yet somehow Brady gets praise for winning that game when he was on the bench getting bailed out yet again by his defense.
Brady’s best game of his career came in a Super Bowl when he threw for over 500 yards… and lost. Somehow y’all think a QB is a better players if he throws 100 yards on 20 passes with no tds instead of over 500 yards and 3 tds as long as his TEAM wins.
In short, y’all dumb.
The best QB doesn’t always have the best team and even then the best team doesn’t always win the Super Bowl. Hell the best team Brady ever had didn’t win the Super Bowl and yet you somehow don’t hold that against him but want to praise him for being a warm body for 4 of the 7 Super Bowls his team won?
Peyton Manning was absolutely washed in 2015 and that easily the worst season of his career and yet his team won a SB in spite of him.
Russell Wilson did frick all in the 2013 Super Bowl and they won by 5 touchdowns. He had the best game of his career in the Super Bowl (until that last pass) and vastly outplayed Brady yet somehow Brady gets praise for winning that game when he was on the bench getting bailed out yet again by his defense.
Brady’s best game of his career came in a Super Bowl when he threw for over 500 yards… and lost. Somehow y’all think a QB is a better players if he throws 100 yards on 20 passes with no tds instead of over 500 yards and 3 tds as long as his TEAM wins.
In short, y’all dumb.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:28 am to NawlinsTiger9
quote:
Team sport
QB is the most important position on the team, you have to include championships as a major factor in the GOAT QB discussion.
Otherwise we are just talking about greatest passer of all time
2008, the brady injury year, the pats went 11-5 with matt castle and missed the playoffs, you dont think Tom Brady wouid have been good for one win over matt castle? in 2007 he was the mvp and went 18-1. Brady and the pats could have been 8/10 if not for bernard pollard
people forget brady got sacked 5 times in the 2007 SB but the Pats took the lead 14-10 with 2:42 left in the game. The giants scored with 30 seconds left.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:31 am to supatigah
quote:
major factor
Damn near everything you posted after this was a good argument to NOT take wins and team accomplishments as a major factor when evaluating an individual position
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:31 am to Dairy Sanders
so you are a best passer of all time guy and I bet you think marino is the GOAT. dan fouts had great stats too, you wanna make a GOAT argument for him?
winning is a huge factor, sorry you dont feel that way
winning is a huge factor, sorry you dont feel that way
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:37 am to NawlinsTiger9
stolen from reddit- stats are deceiving
some key rule changes since the early 90s:
1993 - they changed it so intentional grounding was no longer called if the QB was outside of the hash marks when throwing if the pass falls beyond the line of scrimmage
1994 - many rule changes, league wanted a higher emphasis on the offensive game in general vs kicking, OL were now able to line up with one foot behind the line of scrimmage instead of needing two (modern OTs now do this most plays, gives them an easier time in pass protection matching the edge rusher). 2 Point conversions added. Spot of the ball at a missed field goal was changed from the spot on the line of scrimmage to the spot of the kick (makes kicking slightly more risky) and QBs were given transmitters in their helmets so they could hear their coaches talking from the sideline for the first time (this was first trialed by Paul Brown as HC of the Browns in the 50s and quickly banned league wide but then brought back)
1995 - roughing the passer is added as a penalty, previously defenders could do whatever they wanted to the QB if they hit him while he was throwing or just after
1995 - changed rules surrounding WRs pushed out of bounds being able to return to the field mid-play, defenders used to be able to push WRs out and the player could no longer be active for the rest of the play
1996 - illegal contact rules introduced in 1978 are expanded upon and more strictly enforced
2001 - roughing the passer becomes more strictly enforced with an emphasis on late hits
2002 - became illegal to hit a QB helmet to helmet after a turnover, used to be legal for a defender to walk up to a QB and hit him as hard as possible in the head if the offense had just turned the ball over
2004 - illegal contact rules once again tightened
2006 - low hits on QBs when the defender had a chance to not hit low became illegal
2007 - illegal cut blocks on WRs became a 15 yard penalty instead of 5
2009 - penalty against hitting a defenseless receiver added for 15 yards, used to be if the player caught the ball he was fair game
2009 - more definitions added to the low hit rule, used to be legal to role a QB or hit him low if he was already being tackled by another player (the Brady rule, from his 2008 ACL tear)
2010 - defenseless receiver rules expanded to include all players (defenseless player), more strictly enforced and also league threatened more suspensions if safety rules were not followed
some key rule changes since the early 90s:
1993 - they changed it so intentional grounding was no longer called if the QB was outside of the hash marks when throwing if the pass falls beyond the line of scrimmage
1994 - many rule changes, league wanted a higher emphasis on the offensive game in general vs kicking, OL were now able to line up with one foot behind the line of scrimmage instead of needing two (modern OTs now do this most plays, gives them an easier time in pass protection matching the edge rusher). 2 Point conversions added. Spot of the ball at a missed field goal was changed from the spot on the line of scrimmage to the spot of the kick (makes kicking slightly more risky) and QBs were given transmitters in their helmets so they could hear their coaches talking from the sideline for the first time (this was first trialed by Paul Brown as HC of the Browns in the 50s and quickly banned league wide but then brought back)
1995 - roughing the passer is added as a penalty, previously defenders could do whatever they wanted to the QB if they hit him while he was throwing or just after
1995 - changed rules surrounding WRs pushed out of bounds being able to return to the field mid-play, defenders used to be able to push WRs out and the player could no longer be active for the rest of the play
1996 - illegal contact rules introduced in 1978 are expanded upon and more strictly enforced
2001 - roughing the passer becomes more strictly enforced with an emphasis on late hits
2002 - became illegal to hit a QB helmet to helmet after a turnover, used to be legal for a defender to walk up to a QB and hit him as hard as possible in the head if the offense had just turned the ball over
2004 - illegal contact rules once again tightened
2006 - low hits on QBs when the defender had a chance to not hit low became illegal
2007 - illegal cut blocks on WRs became a 15 yard penalty instead of 5
2009 - penalty against hitting a defenseless receiver added for 15 yards, used to be if the player caught the ball he was fair game
2009 - more definitions added to the low hit rule, used to be legal to role a QB or hit him low if he was already being tackled by another player (the Brady rule, from his 2008 ACL tear)
2010 - defenseless receiver rules expanded to include all players (defenseless player), more strictly enforced and also league threatened more suspensions if safety rules were not followed
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