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re: MLB Midseason Awards
Posted on 7/22/15 at 10:14 am to WestCoastAg
Posted on 7/22/15 at 10:14 am to WestCoastAg
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its a three way race for the cy young in the NL
I would throw Gerrit Cole in the mix. Leads NL in wins. 13-4 with a 2.31 ERA.
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Posted on 7/22/15 at 11:33 am to The Seaward
It is hard to say anyone is a "slam dunk no-brainer" for an award with the way Paul Goldschmidt is playing.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 12:59 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
He has been absolutely awesome, but I still think it is "slam dunk no-brainer". Harper has been clearly the better hitter and provides more defensive value. Goldy has 13 more SBs, but I hardly think that makes up the hitting and defending edge of Harper.
I mean Goldy still has time to pass Harper, but at the midway point I'd say #3 in the race is closer to Goldy than Goldy is to Harper.
I mean Goldy still has time to pass Harper, but at the midway point I'd say #3 in the race is closer to Goldy than Goldy is to Harper.
This post was edited on 7/22/15 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:37 pm to The Seaward
No way. The fact that you cannot name #3 in the MVP race is all you need to say.
Harper's oWAR on Fangraphs is 46.6. Goldy is 38.7. Only Mike Trout is also above 30.
According to my cursory glance on Fangraphs, Harper has been an average defender in 2015. Can you give me info that says otherwise? He has been better at the plate thus far and I would vote for Harper, but I don't think it is close to egregious to say Goldy.
Harper's oWAR on Fangraphs is 46.6. Goldy is 38.7. Only Mike Trout is also above 30.
According to my cursory glance on Fangraphs, Harper has been an average defender in 2015. Can you give me info that says otherwise? He has been better at the plate thus far and I would vote for Harper, but I don't think it is close to egregious to say Goldy.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:48 pm to tigerclaws15
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This post was edited on 7/22/15 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:51 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
An average RF is a more valuable defender than an average or even above average 1B. I'd probably put Scherzer or Greinke at 3 and I do think they are closer to 2, than Goldy is to 1.
No knock on Goldy, all these players are exceptional. It's just that Harper is having a Barry Bonds type year.
No knock on Goldy, all these players are exceptional. It's just that Harper is having a Barry Bonds type year.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 2:00 pm to The Seaward
Damn. I didn't know Goldy was so good on the basepaths. It may be closer than I thought, I just compared their numbers.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 2:12 pm to Ruxin
don't forget best fan base of the year: St. Louis Cardinals.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 2:22 pm to Quidam65
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AL Comeback POY should NOT be someone coming back from a suspension. Period. If Prince Fielder doesn't win the award then it's a complete joke.
I agree with all this.............
Posted on 7/22/15 at 3:24 pm to The Seaward
A corner OF is not that high on the defensive spectrum. Out of all the arguments to put Harper out Goldy, defense may be the weakest one. Use defense as an argument for a guy like Trout, Arenado, Donaldson, etc.
Harper has been the best player in baseball, but I think that Goldy is having one of those years that would compare favorably to most peak years of a HOF player.
Harper has been the best player in baseball, but I think that Goldy is having one of those years that would compare favorably to most peak years of a HOF player.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 3:26 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Miggy and Trout all over again
Posted on 7/22/15 at 3:33 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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A corner OF is not that high on the defensive spectrum
No doubt, still higher than 1B though. But defense is a minisucle portion of it only. The reason I think Harper is head and shoulders MVP over Goldy is at the plate. Goldy has a wRC+ of 181 (which is fantastic of course), but Harper is at wRC+ of 211. That's a huge gap. Adrian Gonzalez's 153 is closer to Goldy, than Goldy is to Harper.
Now Goldy does have more PAs, so that may shrink the value some, but not near enough to be a worthy choice over Harper.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 2:13 pm to WestCoastAg
It'll be highway robbery if Jacob deGrom doesn't win the NL Cy Young. Same for Chris Sale.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 2:17 pm to tzimme4
What
Posted on 7/26/15 at 2:19 pm to The Seaward
Hanley has made me value defense in the corner outfield spots.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 2:24 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
deGrom should be your front runner for NL Cy Young. Just look at his performance today AGAINST Greinke. I mean he even drove in the RBI that broke the streak 
Did I mention he plays for the Mets, the worst offense in baseball?
Did I mention he plays for the Mets, the worst offense in baseball?
This post was edited on 7/26/15 at 2:25 pm
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