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re: Russell Wilson vs Lamar Jackson 2023
Posted on 12/28/23 at 1:53 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 12/28/23 at 1:53 pm to Scruffy
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the defense is the MVP, not the QB.
Oh yeah, I'm not arguing that lamar should be in the conversation for mvp, I'm just pointing out pride not knowing context behind stats. He said the qb only has to face the defense he's playing, without taking into context how said qbs defense performs dictates how a qb plays.
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 1:56 pm to whatiknowsofar
No QB that retreats 20 yards into the endzone, only to trip over a ref for a safety, should get the MVP.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 2:00 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I'm just pointing out pride not knowing context behind stats. He said the qb only has to face the defense he's playing, without taking into context how said qbs defense performs dictates how a qb plays.
Rodgers, Brady, manning, and Bree’s all have had top 10 defenses before. They still statistically dominated the stat sheet
]Lamar in 2019 had the third ranked defense. He had 4300 yards and 43 tds
Your argument is shite. Elite QBs put up elite stats even with a great defense. Lamar simply isn’t great this year
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 12/28/23 at 2:01 pm to shel311
Posted on 12/28/23 at 2:07 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Playing with an elite defense should lead to a qb not having to do as much, correct?
Saw this was responded about, thanks.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 12/28/23 at 2:10 pm to lsupride87
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Rodgers, Brady, manning, and Bree’s all have had top 10 defenses before.
WHY ISNT LAMAR A TOP 5 ALL TIME QB?!??!
-pride logic
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Elite QBs put up elite stats even with a great defense. Lamar simply isn’t great this year
That was never the argument and you know it. You simply said qbs only have to go against a defense. I said if the defense of said qb is playing well then that qb doesn't have to light it up.
And......wait for it.....if your qb has a bunch of shite skill position players (especially after losing an all pro te), then.......wait for it.....I bet the offensive coordinator would love to be more conservative to protect any type of lead.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 2:18 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Yet, a great QB still will. Just like Lamar did in 2019. Having a great defense actually helps a QB put up stats as well because it gives them more opportunities with the ball in their hand. It evens out that way
I said if the defense of said qb is playing well then that qb doesn't have to light it up.
The “bad defenses help a qb stat pad” myth was put to bed. Follow any QBs progression over a career. Their stats don’t fluctuate materially at all based on the defense they have
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 12/28/23 at 2:41 pm to lsupride87
My man Tua will steal it from Lamar this week 
Posted on 12/28/23 at 2:43 pm to ReauxlTide222
Then who does Tua play the next week?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 2:54 pm to lsupride87
My gf is already nervous
Posted on 12/28/23 at 2:59 pm to lsupride87
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Shows you how someone like Biden can win president with the power of the media
What do Russell Wilson and Lamar Jackson have to do with the presidential election? Jesus Christ, give it a rest.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 3:03 pm to TooFyeToFly
quote:Easily manipulated storylines and narratives
What do Russell Wilson and Lamar Jackson have to do with the presidential election?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 3:16 pm to lsupride87
You should stop using AI to make your statistical arguments for you about sports, stats don’t paint the entire story.
There was a graphic on Monday night about how the Ravens are 4th in history in time with the lead through the first 15 weeks. Lamar doesn’t have to get into shootouts, so his stats won’t reflect that.
Prime example was Monday when they went up 21 points with 20 minutes left. Lamar threw the ball twice for 2 yards the remainder of the game.
There was a graphic on Monday night about how the Ravens are 4th in history in time with the lead through the first 15 weeks. Lamar doesn’t have to get into shootouts, so his stats won’t reflect that.
Prime example was Monday when they went up 21 points with 20 minutes left. Lamar threw the ball twice for 2 yards the remainder of the game.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 4:00 pm to lsupride87
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Their stats don’t fluctuate materially at all based on the defense they have
And yet they absolutely fluctuate based on skill position players being healthy.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 4:38 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:They do?
And yet they absolutely fluctuate based on skill position players being healthy.
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