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re: Why is baseball dying?
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:31 pm to BayouBengals03
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:31 pm to BayouBengals03
Baseball needs to be done in October, playing into November is way too much. Also bring back day games for the Play-Offs and World Series.
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Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:35 pm to BayouBengals03
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The season is too long. Once Septbember hits, no one cares about baseball. Football is king.
Need to move it down to 154 games, schedule double-headers, add playoff teams, and make the season end around early September.
More playoff teams (which I would hate, but might be necessary) would keep more cities interested during the postseason. It would also make the postseason longer, so if you started the playoffs in early September, the World Series could still start on October 1st.
Play all of the playoffs in September, and only the World Series in October.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:53 pm to BayouBengals03
I've been on this site for a number of years, and this topic has come up at least a dozen times.
These things are for certain:
1. SFP WILL post in the thread, and totally derail it.
2. Most baseball fans are offended by anything said that is even slightly derogatory about the sport.
3. Most non-baseball fans come off as threatened by the sport for some odd reason.
You like baseball? Great. Like baseball.
You don't like baseball? Great. Don't watch it.
These things are for certain:
1. SFP WILL post in the thread, and totally derail it.
2. Most baseball fans are offended by anything said that is even slightly derogatory about the sport.
3. Most non-baseball fans come off as threatened by the sport for some odd reason.
You like baseball? Great. Like baseball.
You don't like baseball? Great. Don't watch it.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:56 pm to reddman
I love baseball, FWIW.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:56 pm to reddman
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2. Most baseball fans are offended by anything said that is even slightly derogatory about the sport.
This. I never hear anyone other than baseball or sometimes soccer fans trashing other sports.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:58 pm to Esarhaddon
quote:Look at this board, Basketball fans trash baseball all the time... Football fans don't do anything because they are top dog and no one challenges them.
I never hear anyone other than baseball or sometimes soccer fans trashing other sports.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 9:00 pm to tduecen
IDK maybe it's just where i live, there are (or were) always some geezers on the air talking about how baseball is "the perfect game", how purist they are, blah blah
This post was edited on 1/17/11 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 1/17/11 at 9:09 pm to reddman
quote:it's not that i get offended so much as it's frustrating when people who truly dont know what they are talking about spout off about baseball.
2. Most baseball fans are offended by anything said that is even slightly derogatory about the sport.
im sure its similar to when i say soccer sucks because it's boring. I just dont "get it"
ETA: and im not talking specifically about SFP
even though he's wrongThis post was edited on 1/17/11 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 1/17/11 at 9:54 pm to reddman
quote:
1. SFP WILL post in the thread, and totally derail it.
this did not occur
Posted on 1/17/11 at 9:55 pm to Pilot Tiger
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even though he's wrong
how am i wrong?
what variable of baseball isn't found in football, but with more difficulty?
and i'm even giving the pitcher-batter to baseball without argument
Posted on 1/18/11 at 8:45 am to Esarhaddon
quote:Are you kidding? Post a hockey thread and see how many trolls it attracts, most of whom are not baseball or soccer fans. I find basketball fans are by far the most aggressive at attacking other sports. Soccer fans are the most defensive about their sport, as they've adopted a siege mentality.
I never hear anyone other than baseball or sometimes soccer fans trashing other sports.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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what variable of baseball isn't found in football, but with more difficulty?
What does this even mean?
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:and i think you're trivializing the importance of the hitter-pitcher matchup even though you are conceding that point
and i'm even giving the pitcher-batter to baseball without argument
in football, you have your QB , your MLB, maybe a safety who possess the necessary knowledge to get the job done. They are making the majority of the changes, reads, etc that are complex and it's up to the other players to listen and adjust.
Not to mention your team is given a whole week to study one opponent. not only that, but it's one side of the ball. The safety isn't concerned about the other team's defense.
In baseball, hitters have binders and binders of scouting reports on opposing pitchers and pitchers have binders on hitters. What is Pujols hitting on Tuesday day games at home in April when the temperature is 64 with a slight E wind. There are way more variables in baseball
I could go on and on, but it's no use
I've played both football and baseball for a number of years and baseball was far more difficult mentally
and we haven't even gotten into sabermetrics and how numbers and statistics drive strategy and preparation.
This post was edited on 1/18/11 at 9:02 am
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:05 am to Pilot Tiger
and another point
why is it in football you can have a 34 yr head coach in the NFL? or coordinators in their 20s??
do you know how many young managers/coaches there are in MLB? few, if any. Baseball has exponentially more variables than football and it's why baseball managers are old and have been around the game long enough to amass the shear knowledge it takes to apply strategy correctly and account for these variables.
why is it in football you can have a 34 yr head coach in the NFL? or coordinators in their 20s??
do you know how many young managers/coaches there are in MLB? few, if any. Baseball has exponentially more variables than football and it's why baseball managers are old and have been around the game long enough to amass the shear knowledge it takes to apply strategy correctly and account for these variables.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:08 am to barry
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What does this even mean?
look at the list rouge posted
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time in game, count, number of outs, type of hitter (pull, spray, contact, power, etc.), baserunners, type of pitcher on mound (power, finesse, pitch to contact, etc.)
time in game? exists in all sports. and baseball doesn't even have a timer to worry about (fast information processing)
count/outs? down and distance (and time)
type of hitter/pitcher? in any team sport you'll have to know the type of player you'll be going against. unlike baseball, this is more fluid in other sports (no batting order to let you know who the defense will be facing. pitchers are consistent until subbed, and the subs are limited to 3-4 max per game generally)
baserunners are a "team" variable, but in football, other than the man you have to go up against (which in baseball is essentially teh batter-pitcher), you have to be aware of at least a handful of other players on the opposing team. same with basketball/soccer.
the variables which add complexity in baseball are found in other sports, but due to the nature of baseball (it is very static), the decision-making and information-processing is limited
now the pitcher-batter may be the most difficult individual catchup in team sports, so i give that to baseball without argument. there is an argument, but it's not worth it.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm gonna bookmark this fricking thread, so that when the topic comes up again a few months from now, I can just link it and say "GERMANS, MOTHERfrickER."
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:15 am to Pilot Tiger
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in football, you have your QB , your MLB, maybe a safety who possess the necessary knowledge to get the job done. They are making the majority of the changes, reads, etc that are complex and it's up to the other players to listen and adjust.
overall scheme/plays? yes
individual matchups still require a ton of reading/analysis, even in "dumb" positions like the DL (look at the trouble haynesworth had this year when he was forced to read and react)
and your talking about changing a play before its run, which is a foreign concept to baseball for the most part
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Not to mention your team is given a whole week to study one opponent.
and schemes change in that week. baseball schemes don't change. there will be 3 OF, 4 IF, a C, and a pitcher. offense is almost entirely a 1-on-1 matchup b/w pitcher and hitter (which i concede)
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In baseball, hitters have binders and binders of scouting reports on opposing pitchers and pitchers have binders on hitters
exists in football
hell, this exists in the NFL draft for prospects
this also exists in football/basketball for entire teams, not just individuals. film study is a big, big deal
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What is Pujols hitting on Tuesday day games at home in April when the temperature is 64 with a slight E wind. There are way more variables in baseball
how does weather and wind not come up in football? same variables exists
but you're not studying pujols, you're studying 11 individuals, a formation, the trends in formations, the trends in playcalls, and the trends in audibles
like i said. the same variables, but more complex
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and we haven't even gotten into sabermetrics and how numbers and statistics drive strategy and preparation.
these exist in football and basketball too
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:15 am to tduecen
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Look at this board, Basketball fans trash baseball all the time... Football fans don't do anything because they are top dog and no one challenges them.
I think you getting basketball fans mixed with football fans. There's not many NBA fans on this board. You barely get basketball talk unless it's about bashing Lebron.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:18 am to Pilot Tiger
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do you know how many young managers/coaches there are in MLB? f
i think this is more of baseball's prevailing wisdom
i don't think there is any statistical data to support using older managers. it's just how baseball has always done it
now baseball has changed in the past 10-15 years in terms of using statistical analysis instead of mythology, but as a baseball fan you should know that mythology still dominates. just look at derek jeter's gold gloves, or who gets in the HOF. baseball is heavily resistant to change, but i give it credit for changing in this latest generation
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:18 am to reddman
i'm being civil, double entendre
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