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re: Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania suffers worst ever second frame drop for an MCU movie
Posted on 2/27/23 at 11:32 am to JasonMason
Posted on 2/27/23 at 11:32 am to JasonMason
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You're not taking into account the portion of the box office the theaters keep. That also varies by country, but it's close to 50% in the US.
I'm just listing the base budget and raw gross.
We don't have those line item numbers. Probably never will.
It would not shock me if Eternals did lose money ala Hulk, there is just no confirmation of it. Clearly it did poor enough that the planned sequel is scraped. So whatever it did, it was poor enough for Feige/Disney to write them out of the universe almost entirely. Which I suspect is Ant-Man's future. Probably relegated to a Vision side character role in any future films. A prime candidate for a token death in an Avengers film.
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 11:33 am to Bronc
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We don't have those line item numbers. Probably never will.
We don't have the actual number, but even if you're conservative and say the studio gets 75% of the gross, it makes a huge difference.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 11:34 am
Posted on 2/27/23 at 11:42 am to JasonMason
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We don't have the actual number, but even if you're conservative and say the studio gets 75% of the gross, it makes a huge difference.
Sure, but without the total budget + marketing - total expenses it's just speculating on pieces missing from the pie.
Eternals was clearly enough of a disappointment to make Marvel abandon it. That's really the important takeaway.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 12:31 pm to Bronc
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Eternals was clearly enough of a disappointment to make Marvel abandon it. That's really the important takeaway.
Frankly, this is the elegant analysis and we aren't very far apart on from "at the end of the day" basis. They would spend $300m on a true Avengers film, tomorrow, because they KNOW that makes a billion (and would be an underperformance, if we're being totally hones). None of the other products are guaranteed, really, half that with an upside of $650m to $750m, realistically, so the budget axe will fall on the Antmen/Wasps/Black Widows/Eternals/Shang Chis, because of cost management/expected returns.
If they picked good scripts and freed up their directors to actually tell more personal stories, it could make those smaller films truly important to the character lore, tell better stories and be reasonably budgeted. Save the effects budget for, perhaps 1 preliminary struggle (or capabilities/training sequence), 1 modest scrum at the climax for these "support" films and go all out for the big team up movies - maybe a 3 to 1 ratio.
But, it would take talent and vision to do that. They're stuck on their dumb, cookie-cutter, one-size-fits-all formula films and folks have just "seen" that movie already. Dozens of times.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:49 pm to Ace Midnight
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o the budget axe will fall on the Antmen/Wasps/Black Widows/Eternals/Shang Chis, because of cost management/expected returns.
Honestly, I think Shang Chi has a confirmed sequel, but I think one of the things that will happen, especially if The Marvels, Thunderbolts, and/or new Cap under-perform, is they will vault these lesser properties altogether.
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If they picked good scripts and freed up their directors to actually tell more personal stories, it could make those smaller films truly important to the character lore, tell better stories and be reasonably budgeted. Save the effects budget for, perhaps 1 preliminary struggle (or capabilities/training sequence), 1 modest scrum at the climax for these "support" films and go all out for the big team up movies - maybe a 3 to 1 ratio.
f they picked good scripts and freed up their directors to actually tell more personal stories, it could make those smaller films truly important to the character lore, tell better stories and be reasonably budgeted. Save the effects budget for, perhaps 1 preliminary struggle (or capabilities/training sequence), 1 modest scrum at the climax for these "support" films and go all out for the big team up movies - maybe a 3 to 1 ratio.
But, it would take talent and vision to do that. They're stuck on their dumb, cookie-cutter, one-size-fits-all formula films and folks have just "seen" that movie already. Dozens of times.
Agreed
Personally I think back to them firing Edgar Wright on Ant-man. His movie sounded genuinely fun and interesting. Using the character to tell an action/comedy heist film. But Marvel wanted to play into their meta-narrative more and stay in the narrow boundaries of the look and feel and formula of the MCU. But Ant-man really should have just been a goofy property that serves as a nice way to get an interesting filmmaker like Wright into the MCU and bring his own vision.
Just let them tell some mostly self-contained stories, and not just as streaming side projects. not everything needs to advance some grand meta-narrative.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 2:41 pm to Damone
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Marvel Manlets will be in shortly to explain how this is a good thing
I think it's a good thing. The more of this woke crap bombs, the better.
I lost interest in seeing this when I found out Scott's daughter was going to be an insufferable, woke lunatic.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 4:05 pm to RobbBobb
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This is killing off fans. Its a "Wait, I spent how much money on tickets and food, only to find out what I witnessed didnt really happen, because it all rebooted in a later film?"
Agreed. The multiverse stuff needs to stop. I was a big comic book fan as a kid. Watched the early MCU movies and liked them. They lost me with the multiverse crap.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:45 pm to Shut Up Mulllet
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Agreed. The multiverse stuff needs to stop. I was a big comic book fan as a kid. Watched the early MCU movies and liked them. They lost me with the multiverse crap.
If you do something like this, it just needs to be a hard reset and start over. Maybe a few stragglers from the "old" universe make the jump, but most are gone forever.
One foot in and one foot out just doesn't work.
I don't like everything James Gunn is doing with his DC reboot, but he's at least doing the reset part right.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:35 pm to RollTide1987
It is beyond time for the true savior of the MCU to make his presence known and someone to FINALLY make a proper adaptation of the GOAT comics villain
A properly fleshed out DOOM, leading Latveria out of the ashes of Sokovia in this post blip universe, with a comic accurate rivalry with Krasinski’s Reed Richards would be about the only way to rope me back in near Endgame levels imo.
Of course, I’m fully expecting DOOM to get a post credit scene or something with the Fantastic Four right before he’s shoehorned into Secret Wars with almost no buildup just to be killed off after one movie lmao
A properly fleshed out DOOM, leading Latveria out of the ashes of Sokovia in this post blip universe, with a comic accurate rivalry with Krasinski’s Reed Richards would be about the only way to rope me back in near Endgame levels imo.
Of course, I’m fully expecting DOOM to get a post credit scene or something with the Fantastic Four right before he’s shoehorned into Secret Wars with almost no buildup just to be killed off after one movie lmao
Posted on 3/2/23 at 9:12 am to imjustafatkid
Marvel is going to bring back Cap and Tony, they have to at this point. They may not get solo movies but they’ll have extended cameos and supporting roles. Remember nobody is ever lost now that the multiverse and quantum realm have been presented the way they have. There are no stakes and anyone can be brought back at anytime. Disney is a shite show and their one bankable property is now failing.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 9:13 am
Posted on 3/6/23 at 12:02 pm to Madking
Well, after having read the synopsis for the upcoming Captain America movie they're really banking on the mutants to save what's left of the MCU.
I certainly hope that what I read was fake or something but news outlets are treating it like it's real. If he's actively working against American interests then hes more captain globalism than Captain America.
And it's interesting to run with that kind of USA Bad! Plot given current geopolitics and when we are pretty much the only bulwark against Russian and Chinese dominance.
For all I know, it's out of the comic books, but off hand I kind of doubt it since it really seems like they're trying to figure out how to set things up for mutants / wolverine since the movies are continually being reviewed and received poorly.
I certainly hope that what I read was fake or something but news outlets are treating it like it's real. If he's actively working against American interests then hes more captain globalism than Captain America.
And it's interesting to run with that kind of USA Bad! Plot given current geopolitics and when we are pretty much the only bulwark against Russian and Chinese dominance.
For all I know, it's out of the comic books, but off hand I kind of doubt it since it really seems like they're trying to figure out how to set things up for mutants / wolverine since the movies are continually being reviewed and received poorly.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/9/23 at 12:07 pm to USMCguy121
Well I think it's safe to say this movie did not do the numbers they were hoping for. If Guardians doesn't do gangbusters, this is going to be a terrible year for the MCU.
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