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re: Classic Movies You DIdn't Like
Posted on 8/31/09 at 3:27 pm to Baloo
Posted on 8/31/09 at 3:27 pm to Baloo
I think it's a great movie. Ya'll are just too hung up on any racist elements that are in the film, get over it. The movies theme isn't about racism it's about Scarlett O'Hara. It's very well acted, and beautifully filmed. The overhead scene were Scarlett walks through what seems like endless miles of wounded soldiers is movie making at it's very best.
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Posted on 8/31/09 at 3:32 pm to constant cough
CC,
That shot mixed actors with dummies. If there's some movement the brain fills in the gaps. Clark Gable's front teeth were false. He used to pop them out to amuse children. I think it's a great film and holds up. Still the biggest money maker ever if you factor in inflation.
Not everyone was convinced it'd be a success. One producer said, "Who wants to see a film about a bitch and a bastard?"
Nice to see some actual film fans on this site.
That shot mixed actors with dummies. If there's some movement the brain fills in the gaps. Clark Gable's front teeth were false. He used to pop them out to amuse children. I think it's a great film and holds up. Still the biggest money maker ever if you factor in inflation.
Not everyone was convinced it'd be a success. One producer said, "Who wants to see a film about a bitch and a bastard?"
Nice to see some actual film fans on this site.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 3:37 pm to Homeboy
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Nice to see some actual film fans on this site.
Ditto.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 3:48 pm to Baloo
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I hate it in all of its racist glory. Absolutely despise it. The fact it hides behind the love story is what makes it far more awful as it can sucker people in to this day. Let this movie be relegated to the dustbin of history. It is an embarrassment.
I think you're either hypersensitive about race, or are reading way too much into it. I've never hear anyone give that sort of an analysis to GWTW.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 3:52 pm to Homeboy
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Classic Movies You Didn't Like
It's a Wonderful Life.
so sue me
Posted on 8/31/09 at 3:55 pm to constant cough
I liked The Graduate and Easy Rider, but not as much as the hype would suggest. Seeing those movies definitely helped me get a better understanding of the mindset of that generation. It's impossible to judge them accurately when they are taken out of context. From an entertainment value, they are overrated, espescially by today's standards. They both were given props for their overt sexual nature in a period of sexual awakening. The same is true for Lady Chatterly's Lover, and "Bob and Carol, and Ted, and Alice", for example.
Along those lines, I hated "What's New Pussycat".
Along those lines, I hated "What's New Pussycat".
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:00 pm to danfraz
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It's a Wonderful Life.
I love It's A Wonderful Life, but I'm generally not a big fan of Jimmy Stewart as an actor. Great guy but undifferentiated between his many roles. He's always just Jimmy Stewart. John Wayne had more range, IMO.
Think about The Man Who Shot Liberty Vance. John Wayne's work in that movie is what made it great.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:19 pm to Godfather1
I think you can admire Birth of a Nation for its technical achievement and the fact it is one of the first multi-reel films. The concept of what a movie is dates back to it. It’s just too difficult to exclude from the film canon.
GWTW is not the only example of the “studio film” of that era. So its absence won’t be missed. And if you have never heard the cultural criticism of GWTW being a racist film, you must be living under a rock. I can understand disagreeing with that sentiment or looking past its racism as just part of its time, but to deny this criticism exists is flatly untrue. Remember the crappy satire Wind Done Gone?
GWTW is not the only example of the “studio film” of that era. So its absence won’t be missed. And if you have never heard the cultural criticism of GWTW being a racist film, you must be living under a rock. I can understand disagreeing with that sentiment or looking past its racism as just part of its time, but to deny this criticism exists is flatly untrue. Remember the crappy satire Wind Done Gone?
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:19 pm to Baloo
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Not to start the argument again, but the period of GWTW is almost certainly the Civil War and Reconstruction, and that is the period of the rise of the KKK. What makes GWTW so insidious is that it has you identify with the Kluckers without telling you there are Klansmen. At least, Birth of a Nation is obvious about it.
I hate it in all of its racist glory. Absolutely despise it. The fact it hides behind the love story is what makes it far more awful as it can sucker people in to this day. Let this movie be relegated to the dustbin of history. It is an embarrassment
im thinkin this is a slight overraection
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:21 pm to Jimbeaux
John Wayne has range?
I love Its A Wonderful Life, but I unreasonably love all Capra movies.
I love Its A Wonderful Life, but I unreasonably love all Capra movies.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:24 pm to Baloo
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John Wayne has range?
In comparison to Jimmy Stewart.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:27 pm to glaucon
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I love It's A Wonderful Life, but I'm generally not a big fan of Jimmy Stewart as an actor. Great guy but undifferentiated between his many roles. He's always just Jimmy Stewart. John Wayne had more range, IMO.
John Wayne did mainly war movies and westerns. Jimmy Stewart did comedies, drama, noir, westerns, suspense thrillers. I like John Wayne just fine but in no way did he have more range than Stewart.
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Think about The Man Who Shot Liberty Vance. John Wayne's work in that movie is what made it great.
John Ford's direction is what made that movie great.
This post was edited on 8/31/09 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:44 pm to Baloo
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but to deny this criticism exists is flatly untrue.
I'm not denying anything. I've just never heard it denounced in quite the terms you used.
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Remember the crappy satire Wind Done Gone?
Can't say I do. But I DO remember this CLASSIC satire:
"Went With The Wind" Part I
"Went With The Wind" Part II
This post was edited on 8/31/09 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:47 pm to Jimbeaux
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He's always just Jimmy Stewart.
Part of his appeal. The term is overused, IMHO, but Jimmy Stewart WAS "The Everyman". You identified with him, or at least wanted to.
I AM biased, however. He's my favorite actor. Although I do have a big collection of both his AND John Wayne's movies.
This post was edited on 8/31/09 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:53 pm to Godfather1
Also it's a Selznick film. You have to remember this is the man who had them paint Jennifer Jone's skin to portray Pearl Chavez the half Indian girl in the movie Duel In The Sun and the whole film is heavy on the racism much more so than any GWTW I found. But it's also high camp of the finest order and a vivid technicolor delight. So I think it's wonderful.
This post was edited on 8/31/09 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:56 pm to constant cough
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Part of his appeal. The term is overused, IMHO, but Jimmy Stewart WAS "The Everyman". You identified with him, or at least wanted to.
He needs to watch some Jimmy Stewart/Anthony Mann westerns. Jimmy isn't an everyman in those, he plays dark revenge driven men in those films. Observe.
This post was edited on 8/31/09 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:56 pm to Godfather1
Well, everyone is going to use different terms, but the idea that GWTW is a racist movie is hardly a unique thought. Simply typing in "gone with the wind" + racism into yahoo and you get 4,490,000 results. You can disagree that it isn't racist, but to argue that I am inventing this analysis isn't remotely true.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:58 pm to constant cough
"Duel In The Sun" was one I liked the first time I saw it, but not so much in subsequent viewings. Gregory Peck was great playing against type in that movie, however.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 4:59 pm to constant cough
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He needs to watch some Jimmy Stewart/Anthony Mann westerns. Jimmy isn't an everyman in those, he plays dark revenge driven men in those films.
Very true.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 5:03 pm to Godfather1
Jimmy Stewart also plays some incredily creepy characters in Alfred Hitchcock films: playing out subtle/ not-so-subtle voeyeurism, necrophilia, and homosexuality. He certainly played with his persona as Everyman with Hitchcock.
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