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re: Joe Rogan- Triggered
Posted on 10/28/16 at 4:08 am to molsusports
Posted on 10/28/16 at 4:08 am to molsusports
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So your quote above does not represent your opinion?
I said exactly what I meant. You have misconstrued it multiple times.
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Based on listening to his podcasts and stand up routines you should already know that.
What I know is that he does not use the term snowflake like you are attributing to him. You are making it up.
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Ah. Now you seem to say you like the joke
There is no "the joke" or "a joke" like you are saying. You are making it up. I was referring to the topic of conversation on the podcast.
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Posted on 10/28/16 at 4:10 am to inadaze
I think we probably have different points of view that are making communication difficult. I do not read much of the Political Talk board and maybe your conversation here about "snowflakes" there would make sense to me if I did. That would have probably been the place to bring up your issues with the word - because it didn't really help you communicate.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 4:13 am to molsusports
You make stuff up and you have problems with misrepresentation/misreading. That's not on me. Those are your issues.
I find it hard to believe that you are this dumb.
I find it hard to believe that you are this dumb.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 4:13 am to inadaze
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What I know is that he does not use the term snowflake like you are attributing to him. You are making it up.
I apologize if I am wrong but I think you are incorrect. He shares exactly those sentiments and uses that kind of language.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 4:18 am to molsusports
No, he doesn't. I've never heard him talk about "libertarian snowflakes" the way you have said.
He has those sentiments about people who try to shut down speech and whatnot. And I explained in the thread my POV about that as well (if you're really this confused, just go back and read my other posts). But he does not refer to them in the way you have attributed.
You don't know my POV better than I do. You have serious issues with misrepresentation.
He has those sentiments about people who try to shut down speech and whatnot. And I explained in the thread my POV about that as well (if you're really this confused, just go back and read my other posts). But he does not refer to them in the way you have attributed.
You don't know my POV better than I do. You have serious issues with misrepresentation.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 4:26 am to inadaze
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I've never heard him talk about "libertarian snowflakes" the way you have said.
You have still not understood what I've written.
Find the quote where I think he referring to people he really respects as libertarians. He doesn't. He generally respects libertarians. The people he has mocked as snowflakes are regressive authoritarians or narcissists who think they are special when they don't really have any special qualities.
That's the whole repeated emphasis on satire thing that makes it humor.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 4:33 am to molsusports
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You have still not understood what I've written.
Yes, I have. Please stop writing it. It is incredibly dumb.
I'll respond to the rest of your post tomorrow. In the meantime, try to clear your mind like you would an Etch A Sketch -- you've made a lot of false statements and assumptions -- forget about that nonsense.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 4:41 am to inadaze
It might be that more people would understand you if you tried to make your points succinctly. You might even refrain from regular insults if you actually want to communicate your position effectively. The thread was progressing normally until you jumped in with a non-sequitur reference to the Political Talk board and an emphasis on a single word you don't like from the OP.
Anyway, the root of our discussion is probably not just a value judgement about snowflakes being used as an insult, it is probably a difference in opinion about the behaviors of some people who think they are doing good things (while others think the opposite).
Anyway, the root of our discussion is probably not just a value judgement about snowflakes being used as an insult, it is probably a difference in opinion about the behaviors of some people who think they are doing good things (while others think the opposite).
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:13 am to molsusports
This thread went full retard. 
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:30 am to Pilot Tiger
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I enjoy his podcast but I watched the first 5 minutes of his new special and didn't even crack a smile so I turned it off
I did the same thing. It was kind of awkward or maybe he just hadn't gotten into rhythm yet.
Either way I don't see myself tuning back in.
Posted on 10/29/16 at 7:11 am to molsusports
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if you tried to make your points succinctly
Okay, I will try to make a portion of this post very succinct for you. However, you have made so many misrepresentations and false claims that I will make the post somewhat lengthy in an attempt to undo your nonsense. But before I get to the succinct portion for you, I want to say that it is absurd for you try to blame me for your misrepresentations. I didn't make you do that. I would have preferred that you didn't do that because I don't like spending time refuting these kinds of made-up claims. I made a number of posts succinctly saying that you were misrepresenting me and things I had said, but you wouldn't concede on those corrections and refutations -- I didn't make you do that, and I regret spending the time I did on the exchange because it was frustrating and just generally unpleasant to look at the screen and see your falsities over and over as you refused to adjust accordingly to the information I was giving you. There are a number of other things I could've and would've preferred to have been doing with my time.
Succinct Portion
You have made a distorted mess out of what I have said in the thread. You are simply confused about a number of things, including some points I made regarding the meanings of some words, "snowflake" in particular. In no way did I make an argument for censorship (in fact, the exact opposite) or punishment or any of the things you claimed/implied. I am not hostile to Joe's POV. There was no particular joke that I said I didn't like. You repeatedly made things up and misrepresented what I said and it was very fricking annoying.
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If that's not succinct and explicit enough for you, then you're simply too far-off and this is pointless.
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You might even refrain from regular insults
I consider it very insulting to waste people's time with misrepresentations and nonsense. You did that over and over and over...
If you can't deal with me describing blatant falsities, nonsense, misrepresentations, and the other garbage you were making up as dumb, perhaps you need some kind of "safe space". Perhaps find some delicate dummies who you can waste time on foolishness with. I try not to insult people, unless they initiate the insult game in some way -- then all bets are off. In my view, you initiated it by making stuff up and refusing to admit that you were wrong and falsifying and distorting what I had said. Ain't nobody got time for that.
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reference to the Political Talk board
The fact that I referenced that board is really irrelevant to the stuff you made up. (By the way, I was banned from that board for mocking Dummy Donald. I've seen thread after thread get anchored that deal with criticism of Donald and/or delusional right-wing politics. My disparaging references to that board were partly made on that kind of censorship basis, and because of the high amount of false information, distortions, lies, delusion, dumbness, false bravado, etc. Not everyone on the board is like that, though.)
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an emphasis on a single word you don't like from the OP.
This is somewhat of a distortion. I never said I don't like the word. I explained issues with uses of the word that are illogical. I don't really have an issue with the word used in ways that make sense. I mentioned what I did because of my interest in libertarian politics and because the OP mentioned Joe's material on politics in the special (which I watched yesterday -- I thought it was good, not his best stuff, but I laughed and enjoyed it). By the way, the way that OP mentioned Joe's material on politics is also illogical. OP said that Joe managed to "skirt the issue of politics" while savaging both sides -- that doesn't make sense. To skirt something is to avoid it, go around it -- that doesn't fit with saying he savaged both sides. That's the kind of point I was making about the word "snowflake" -- a semantical point -- a point about using language in coherent (or more coherent) ways.
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Anyway, the root of our discussion is probably not just a value judgement about snowflakes being used as an insult, it is probably a difference in opinion about the behaviors of some people who think they are doing good things (while others think the opposite).
Perhaps I have now sufficiently cleared up your confusion. If not, you could give some examples of some of the behaviors that you're referencing here, but remember, my points about the word "snowflake" were more semantical than value judgments. It seems that the differences in opinion that you've mentioned are more something you've concocted in your mind through confusion and/or refusal to admit you've gone astray with misrepresentation. Generalized misrepresentation is one of the most annoying aspects about this topic for me. Please don't try to respond with that sort of nonsense. If you can specify your complaints, fine, but I'm not interested in blanket bitching -- overgenerality, exaggeration/distortion, misrepresentation, repetitiveness, and triviality are some of the things I was referencing earlier when I mentioned the topic being uninteresting (and I was more referencing guests on the podcast) to me. The jump you made from that "uninteresting" comment to a claim of me being "hostile" to Joe's POV was false and illogical.
This post was edited on 10/29/16 at 7:21 am
Posted on 10/29/16 at 7:51 am to ManBearTiger
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This thread went full retard.
Some people got "triggered".
Posted on 10/29/16 at 8:18 am to ManBearTiger
A few more points on this idea of "how language works" and "snowflake":
- In my previous post I mentioned that the way you used "skirt" in the OP was illogical. Now, I was still able to work out what you were saying, so in a sense, it did work "as language". But it would be more coherent language if you used a different verb.
In a similar way, that's the main point I'm trying to make about "snowflake". The way some right-wingers are using it works "as language". But it is in some ways illogical when used from a libertarian viewpoint as an insult because individual uniqueness is at the basis of arguments for rights, privacy, decision-making, ownership, etc.
I'm not trying to say that people can't use the word in different ways. My points are not so much on "what language is" (or what language can be), rather they are dealing with what makes for more coherent language, and the subtle effects of language.
- For example, Donald John's use of absolutist language. In different senses, it works "as language" (in that it is language, in that it works to play to some people's fantasies, etc.), but it is often incredibly incoherent, and regarding effects, I have noticed an uptick in other people using words like totally, absolutely, completely.
- For example, Donald John's assertions that he won't be a Loser.
Donald John recently asserted that "we're going to win the whole thing". That works in the sense that it is language, and it does play to some people's fantasies. But is it coherent?
- In my previous post I mentioned that the way you used "skirt" in the OP was illogical. Now, I was still able to work out what you were saying, so in a sense, it did work "as language". But it would be more coherent language if you used a different verb.
In a similar way, that's the main point I'm trying to make about "snowflake". The way some right-wingers are using it works "as language". But it is in some ways illogical when used from a libertarian viewpoint as an insult because individual uniqueness is at the basis of arguments for rights, privacy, decision-making, ownership, etc.
I'm not trying to say that people can't use the word in different ways. My points are not so much on "what language is" (or what language can be), rather they are dealing with what makes for more coherent language, and the subtle effects of language.
- For example, Donald John's use of absolutist language. In different senses, it works "as language" (in that it is language, in that it works to play to some people's fantasies, etc.), but it is often incredibly incoherent, and regarding effects, I have noticed an uptick in other people using words like totally, absolutely, completely.
- For example, Donald John's assertions that he won't be a Loser.
Donald John recently asserted that "we're going to win the whole thing". That works in the sense that it is language, and it does play to some people's fantasies. But is it coherent?
Posted on 10/29/16 at 8:23 am to ManBearTiger
Back to the special -- I didn't know there were so many tigers living in captivity in Texas. That's pretty "wild".
Posted on 10/29/16 at 9:06 am to inadaze
Just had one recently in Conroe.
Luckily still about one year old. From the description the guy it ran up to it just played with hm like a scared lost cat. Believe it even put its paws on his shoulders before the guy took it to his house.
Montgomery County people.
Luckily still about one year old. From the description the guy it ran up to it just played with hm like a scared lost cat. Believe it even put its paws on his shoulders before the guy took it to his house.
Montgomery County people.
Posted on 10/29/16 at 5:46 pm to inadaze
I'm going to tell you the truth- I've never seen such a unfounded sense of boisterous intellectualism tenuously propping up such unintellectual drivel on this board. I'm impressed and depressed at the same time- impressed at your resiliency and depressed by the fact that you likely consider yourself highly intelligent. No one cares how triggered you are about people calling people like you snowflakes. Please discuss the special or go back to your My Little Ponies fan board.
This post was edited on 10/29/16 at 5:48 pm
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