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re: Leaving Neverland
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:59 am to boogiewoogie1978
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:59 am to boogiewoogie1978
Very good point!!!!
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Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:24 am to BayouCatFan
Why have Culkin and the other still denied any molestation at this point? What do they have to gain with Michael dead?
I agree the emotion seemed real but it also looks like very much sour grapes for losing their access to Michael and Neverland.
Both of their parents were just as bad about the whole thing accept the poor Australian dad. Seems to be he committed suicide or died at some point?
The realist emotion during the whole thing the brother talking about his family getting broken up. The two victims hardly even teared up.
Still a lot of questions in my mind.
I agree the emotion seemed real but it also looks like very much sour grapes for losing their access to Michael and Neverland.
Both of their parents were just as bad about the whole thing accept the poor Australian dad. Seems to be he committed suicide or died at some point?
The realist emotion during the whole thing the brother talking about his family getting broken up. The two victims hardly even teared up.
Still a lot of questions in my mind.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:33 am to STLhog
I agree with the others that he likely didn't molest Culkin, for the reasons stated (he was already a star), but also because it gave MJ an alibi. Hey, look at me hanging out with McCauley in a non-sexual way, just like I do with all of these other anonymous kids. There is nothing going on here. Please move on.
I know we want to blame the parents, but I think they were victims, too. You could see the way he groomed them, earned their trust, and would ramp up the sexual activity once he had them in his web. The California kid looks like he laid the groundwork for nearly a full year before he started molesting him. And remember, MJ had this whole cover story that he was just this giant Peter Pan like figure, trapped in eternal childhood. He could never do these things because he doesn't even think sexually. Why, he's still a child!
Ugh. It's so gross. It was all a trap meant to ensnare and rape children. I do think Jackson's pretty terrible upbringing stunted his development and made him a monster. He's a victim in his own way, but he's still a monster. All of his justifications are just that. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter why you are monster, just that you are one.
I know we want to blame the parents, but I think they were victims, too. You could see the way he groomed them, earned their trust, and would ramp up the sexual activity once he had them in his web. The California kid looks like he laid the groundwork for nearly a full year before he started molesting him. And remember, MJ had this whole cover story that he was just this giant Peter Pan like figure, trapped in eternal childhood. He could never do these things because he doesn't even think sexually. Why, he's still a child!
Ugh. It's so gross. It was all a trap meant to ensnare and rape children. I do think Jackson's pretty terrible upbringing stunted his development and made him a monster. He's a victim in his own way, but he's still a monster. All of his justifications are just that. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter why you are monster, just that you are one.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:41 am to 13SaintTiger
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Not sure how you can think that when they are known perjurers.
Just curious, did you watch the full Documentary? I am asking because I can't see how anyone could watch this and not think he was 100% guilty. Before I watched it I thought they were just making it up. Afterwards I don't think I could ever hear a MJ song again. He and is Family are some of the worst people imaginable. The fact that he preyed on a Make A Wish kid is unimaginable evil.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:42 am to STLhog
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The two victims hardly even teared up.
I don't think that means anything. They have been living with this for more than 25 years. They are probably numb to it by now. I think the reactions they both had to their mothers is much more telling. One of them told his mother he has no emotion towards her. That's not something a person says lightly imo.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:43 am to Baloo
This is a fair take.
In all actuality when you think about it, way too much smoke for there not to be fire but still pretty unreal the parents were okay with their kids staying with him etc.
That is just way way too far in my eyes.
And then I think about a 7 year old keeping secrets like that? That is hard to believe but I guess that sort of manipulation is pretty powerful.
In all actuality when you think about it, way too much smoke for there not to be fire but still pretty unreal the parents were okay with their kids staying with him etc.
That is just way way too far in my eyes.
And then I think about a 7 year old keeping secrets like that? That is hard to believe but I guess that sort of manipulation is pretty powerful.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:45 am to BayouCatFan
Assuming these revelations are in part 2? I've only seen part 1.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 1:05 pm to BayouCatFan
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The Two Corey's it was strongly hinted at that Jackson was their abuser
It was Charlie Sheen for Haim.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 3:36 pm to JodyPlauche
Also, the fat guy from Friday the 13th part 5 raped a young Corey Haim. Haim’s mother was another one of these women who was so wrapped up in the fame and money that she failed to protect her kid. Seems to be a common theme.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 11:25 pm to Rou Leed
Just watched part 1. Sickening if true. I don’t know how you lie about that shite.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 11:48 pm to Enfuego
After part 2 watch the Oprah interview afterwards. Just finished it 20 mins ago.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 6:34 am to t00f
Last thoughts on this, MJ extended time spent alone in his bedroom with these kids makes it impossible to exonerate him of the accusations.It does not matter if thousands of other people said he did not touch them.These two kids said he did these things and there is no way to disprove it.All these people that cared so much around MJ should have made him understand the risk he put himself in by sleeping with the kids.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 6:59 am to Enfuego
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I don’t know how you lie about that shite.
Both of them had lied about it under oath.
The Robson guy doing it when he was a grown adult in 2005. Why lie about it then and come out with this convenient documentary when he's dead?
The whole thing is just fricked up. Robson's dad committed suicide, that is brutal and I feel very sorry for the older brother.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:16 am to STLhog
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So Robson testified as an adult male in 2005 that he wasn't molested
Part 2 he gives his reasoning why. His career was taking of and he didn't want to have being molested by MJ attached to his name. I think that's more than justifiable even for someone who ins't in the entertainment business.
He admitted he still had love for him in some strange way and felt like sending him to prison was a death sentence. He also told Michael and his mother that he would not testify in the trial initially but Michael eventually convinced him to do it.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:44 am to skullhawk
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His career was taking of and he didn't want to have being molested by MJ attached to his name
But he somehow does now?
And his career wasn't "just" taking off in 2005. He had already done all that NSYNC work, dated Britney Spears and had written a bunch of pop songs.
If anything his career was starting to down turn and its basically nonexistant right now per wiki.
Coincidentally he comes out with it now... That explanation doesn't add up to me at all.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:21 am to STLhog
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Coincidentally he comes out with it now... That explanation doesn't add up to me at all.
he came out with it in 2013
He has no financial interest in the documentary per the director/producer. His lawsuit from 2013 was thrown out due to statute of limitations.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:23 am to skullhawk
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He has no financial interest in the documentary per the director/producer. His lawsuit from 2013 was thrown out due to statute of limitations.
And they're both currently appealing that ruling.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:29 am to STLhog
quote:You think they shouldn't appeal?
And they're both currently appealing that ruling.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 10:45 am to ell_13
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You think they shouldn't appeal?
The dude purjered himself at 23. He had his chance.
And they can do what they want but them appealing refutes the notion that they have no monetary skin in this game.
If he was serious about creating awareness around it, he would have stood up when MJ was alive. The more and more I think about it, the worse it looks for both of them.
Wade Robson dated Brittany Spears, he's always been a primadonna fame chaser and his varying story takes away his credibility.
The other guy, not so sure. Still bizarre he's 40 and has kept the jewelry.
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