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Posted on 3/8/10 at 4:22 pm to Muppet
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I don't know if this is an inaccuracy by the writers or intentional, but dynamite wasn't invented until some 20 years after the Black Rock supposedly left England.
Time travel's a bitch.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 4:30 pm to BhamTigah
dude i was only gone for 20 minutes! this shite is getting deep! 
Posted on 3/8/10 at 4:39 pm to Muppet
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I neglected to mention that my other reason for thinking Richard to be first mate is because in "The Constant" Charles Widmore took care to secure the black rock first mate's ledger at the auction. This ledger must have contained the necessary information for Widmore to get back to the island, and I'm assuming he knew it was Richard's.
This is what I think. I have read a lot of plausible theories. And the following is what I conclude:
1. In 2007 in the original timeline, some disaster (maybe the H-Bomb/Jughead detonation) destroyed the island and possibly led to the end of the world. I say this because we saw the island under water I think in the Kate centric episode. (please correct me if that's not right)
2. I believe Richard Alpert is a descendant of the original Black Rock crew and understands that something happened related to the Black Rock that made the island accessible. One theory by Jason Hunter is that the Black Rock was a slave ship carrying magnetic ore, ventured near the island by accident and the magnetic properties of the island pulled the Black Rock all the way inland and tore a hole/opening in the magnetic field that surrounds/protects the island. The first mate's log would likely have the ship's heading which is probably coordinate 305 degrees which Daniel's team used to get to the island. Timeloop Theory
3. Richard aware of the impending disaster uses the Dharma time machine to go back to 1900 to become a member of the Black Rock crew to try and prevent the Black Rock from getting near the island. Possibly Richard tried to persuade the captain unsuccessfully to change course and was thrown in the brig for his trouble.
4. Because of his future knowledge, Richard became the logical leader of the Others (also Black Rock descendants) and protector of the island.
5. The same theory suggests that through various experiments the Dharma folks determine that fate (the original timeline) tends to correct itself preventing destiny from being altered. Example: Richard was unable to prevent the Black Rock from coming to the island, polar bears are sent back in time and are able to survive in the jungle because they can't die until they catch up with the time at which point they were sent back, etc. As a result a Time-loop is created by linking the Donkey Wheel under the Orchid Station to the 108 minute reset station in the Swan. In other words, every 108 minutes the island goes back in time to prevent the impending disaster in 2007. The time-loop was essentially delaying destiny indefinitely until Desmond failed to enter the key code forcing him to use the fail-safe key.
The problem I have with all this is: where does Jacob and MIB fit into the scheme of things? Jacob seems to be the one bringing candidates to the island and if this is the case why would he bring the Black Rock and create an access/opening to the island that would eventually lead to it's destruction if Jacob is the protector of the island?
Of course if the tear in the magnetic field was an accident that Jacob could not prevent, maybe he has since used the opening to bring candidates/heroes to the island who can redeem themselves by rising to the occasion to save the world. Maybe the world has already been saved through the incident when Juliet detonated the detonator. The question is will a course correction by fate possibly instigated by MIB's team somehow negate the effects of the incident and prevent that altered timeline from becoming everlasting leading to the end of the world in spite of all efforts to prevent it.
Anyway, if any of you have already read or want to take time to read the linked time-loop theory I would be interested in your take. There is a separate link here: TimeLine for a corresponding LOST time-line map that describes each time-line as an iteration of time each from the perspective of the individual who goes back in time.
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 3/8/10 at 4:44 pm to davesdawgs
Sounds like Lost: The Primer Version.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 4:59 pm to BhamTigah
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Sounds like Lost: The Primer Version.
I think everything we have seen so far on LOST has happened multiple times (hell, maybe even thousands), perhaps with slight variations but it always ended the same according to MIB. I think the whole process has been trial and error for Jacob and MIB to get things to go how they would want it to go (MIB - to get off of the island, Jacob - to end the cycle possibly).
JACOB: "It only ends once, everything else is progress" -- What does "it" signify? The end of the time loop? The end of the world? Whatever "it" is, it could mean the difference between whether we should consider Jacob good or bad.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 5:08 pm to Decatur
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I think everything we have seen so far on LOST has happened multiple times (hell, maybe even thousands), perhaps with slight variations but it always ended the same according to MIB. I think the whole process has been trial and error for Jacob and MIB to get things to go how they would want it to go (MIB - to get off of the island, Jacob - to end the cycle possibly).
JACOB: "It only ends once, everything else is progress" -- What does "it" signify? The end of the time loop? The end of the world? Whatever "it" is, it could mean the difference between whether we should consider Jacob good or bad.
Yep, that is a big "It". My guess is the "It" is the end of the world. It only happens once and everything to prevent it from happening is progress. Ironically, I think it might be Jacob who is looking for a loophole to change destiny preventing the destruction of the island and the world. MIB said the island doesn't need protecting because he wants to leave and he could care less what happens to the island and the world. I can only assume that MIB's home is not of this world.
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 3/8/10 at 5:11 pm to davesdawgs
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My guess is the "It" is the end of the world.
If so, and
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I think it might Jacob who is looking for a loophole to change destiny preventing the destruction of the island and the world.
than MIB represents that destruction (which is alluded to on screen), once he is released it's over, and that only needs to happen once.
ETA: so, good points sir.
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 3/8/10 at 6:54 pm to BhamTigah
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You may have a bit of the ghey
i like Claire too if that makes you clowns feel better
Posted on 3/8/10 at 7:06 pm to Decatur
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Child birth did not become a problem on the island until after the Incident I thought.
More food for thought - will we see the pregnancy problems ever explained?
I think the pregnancy problem was created by the time-loop which apparently began in 1996. The Swan device (Desmond hitting the button)was resetting the island back in time every 108 minutes to prevent the impending disaster that would destroy the island and presumedly the world. Very difficult to procreate when time is reset back every 108 minutes.
Speaking of which the Ben centric episode tomorrow night should answer a lot of questions about the the time-loop; exactly who and why they created it. Hopefully we will find out the nature of the disaster that is believed will destroy the island/world in 2007 in the original timeline.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 7:10 pm to AstroTiger
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i like Claire too if that makes you clowns feel better
Yea, I have been missing Claire's boobies. She needs to clean up her act though; that grubby look isn't doing it for me. A nice bath scene would be refreshing. :)
Posted on 3/8/10 at 7:37 pm to SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
dont youh tell mey what ta do with moy baybee! i cant wait till she dies!
Posted on 3/8/10 at 7:41 pm to SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
daves dawgs- woah dude!i need to sit down and gather my thoughts for a minute. too much LOST knowledge at once.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 7:43 pm to davesdawgs
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A nice bath scene would be refreshing. :)
+1
Posted on 3/8/10 at 7:49 pm to SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
claire was ok for like the 1st 5 episodes...all that bitch does anymore is yell at someone....she is the female jack, just less important.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 7:58 pm to PortCityTiger24
id def put my test subject in her time machine but she couldnt talk!
Posted on 3/8/10 at 8:05 pm to SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
a theory on time travel is STUPID HEAVY.
Posted on 3/8/10 at 8:05 pm to davesdawgs
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I think the pregnancy problem was created by the time-loop which apparently began in 1996. The Swan device (Desmond hitting the button)was resetting the island back in time every 108 minutes to prevent the impending disaster that would destroy the island and presumedly the world. Very difficult to procreate when time is reset back every 108 minutes.
How the hell did you figure this out?
Posted on 3/8/10 at 8:07 pm to Muppet
no shite
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