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re: LOST "LAX" S6.E1/2.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 8:35 pm to Iona Fan Man
Posted on 2/5/10 at 8:35 pm to Iona Fan Man
The latest we've seen a full statue is when the survivors are time-flashing. I don't remember if it was during the 50s or the 70s when they saw it though.
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 8:45 pm to Beastwood
just checked the opening and didn't see pieces in the water, but I did notice substantial barnacle growth so it hadn't "just sank", but how long would wood cabins last in the ocean? 30 years? I think not.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 9:05 pm to manwich
Regarding the Temple...when Ben was shot by Sayid as a kid, Richard brought him to the temple to be healed correct? And then I think he mentions to Kate before he is brought there, "Are you sure you want to do this? He'll never be the same."
What kind of change do you think occured with Ben being healed? Immortality? Or maybe after being healed he was given the power to kill Jacob/MIB, which would explain why MIB used Ben to kill Jacob...maybe Ben was the only person who had the ability to do so.
Maybe that's why Jacob sent Sayid to the Temple to be healed. He knew MIB would use Locke to manipulate Ben into killing him as his "loop hole", so he planned in advance (the giving the guitar case to Hurley) so Sayid could be healed, thus giving him the ability to now kill the MIB/Smoke Monster.
What kind of change do you think occured with Ben being healed? Immortality? Or maybe after being healed he was given the power to kill Jacob/MIB, which would explain why MIB used Ben to kill Jacob...maybe Ben was the only person who had the ability to do so.
Maybe that's why Jacob sent Sayid to the Temple to be healed. He knew MIB would use Locke to manipulate Ben into killing him as his "loop hole", so he planned in advance (the giving the guitar case to Hurley) so Sayid could be healed, thus giving him the ability to now kill the MIB/Smoke Monster.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 9:18 pm to WarmBubble
I think that Ben was able to kill Jacob because he was the default leader of the others.
Default leader because Locke(the new leader) was actually dead. That's why Widmore wanted to kill Ben, so that he could become leader again.
just my hunch if that makes sense.
We'll know soon enough, if Richard declares Ben the leader.
Default leader because Locke(the new leader) was actually dead. That's why Widmore wanted to kill Ben, so that he could become leader again.
just my hunch if that makes sense.
We'll know soon enough, if Richard declares Ben the leader.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 9:20 pm to Iona Fan Man
quote:Ricardus isn't going to be declaring anything anytime soon.. he got knocked the frick out.
We'll know soon enough, if Richard declares Ben the leader.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 11:52 pm to Haplochrom
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MIB can have free reign over the island. the others, who protect jacob, build a fence to keep MIB out. When summoned, he comes and takes out threats.
This sounds to me like MIB is running the island, and Jacob is being held captive. When they have the conversation on the beach, you know how much i want to kill you, sounds like someone who just cant get through the ash rings.
I think its the other way around. Jacob had complete control over MIB and this was his prison and Jacob was running things. The MIB walks right beside him. If the ash rings were stopping him from killing Jacob, why could he just walk straight into Jacob's chamber and stand less than 3 feet away from him? There are other things than the ash ring stopping him from killing Jacob. Jacob did not need protection from him, but rather from people he could bring there that could easily cross the ash.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 11:56 pm to Iona Fan Man
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when is the latest we see an "intact" statue?
The latest we saw it was in the 1800s, and it has been confirmed to be destroyed before the 1970s.
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when black rock is coming with Jacob/mib on beach?
Late 1800s
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when is the soonest we see "just the foot"?
2004 is the earliest we see the foot by itself.
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makes me think that bomb has always gone off, and destroyed statue. Did they ever say what made the statue crumble? Did we see pieces of the statue in the water or just the foot?
Ben said that the statue was destroyed before he got there, and the writers have confirmed it. Something tells me that MIB got the Black Rock crew to destroy it, but somehow Richard made sure that they didn't kill Jacob and MIB was defeated.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 7:51 am to OMLandshark
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The MIB walks right beside him.
Only because the two knew that they could not be killed by each other. there is no threat, before people arrived on the black rock.
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If the ash rings were stopping him from killing Jacob, why could he just walk straight into Jacob's chamber and stand less than 3 feet away from him?
Because the ash rings werent laid down yet. when i said ash rings, i meant to put it in quotation marks as a barrier, hurdle or loophole that he needs to work around. again, without people on the island, there is no threat between them as they are invincible to each other.
when they took ben to the temple, even sayid, you have to walk past the entrance that smoky uses to get there. he could cause harm to the others anytime someone passed by. in fact, the temple went nuts when they realized that jacob was gone and they put an ash ring around them. jacobs cabin has an ash ring. jacobs follower (bram) used an ash ring, and the people in the temple who work for jacob use the ash ring.
all signs point toward jacob being the one trapped in the cabin. im not saying that jacob is the bad guy, but smoky could have unleashed fury all day long, but he didnt. he could have destroyed all of the others moving to and from the temple but he didnt.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 9:50 am to OMLandshark
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MIB did say he admired Locke because he was the only person on the Island who didn't want to leave and saw how pathetic his life off of the Island really was
What about Rose and Bernard?
Posted on 2/6/10 at 10:22 am to seawolf06
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What about Rose and Bernard?
His words not mine. But Locke's love for the Island was instantaneous, while it took Rose and Bernard a while to come around.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 10:29 am to Haplochrom
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Because the ash rings werent laid down yet. when i said ash rings, i meant to put it in quotation marks as a barrier, hurdle or loophole that he needs to work around. again, without people on the island, there is no threat between them as they are invincible to each other.
when they took ben to the temple, even sayid, you have to walk past the entrance that smoky uses to get there. he could cause harm to the others anytime someone passed by. in fact, the temple went nuts when they realized that jacob was gone and they put an ash ring around them. jacobs cabin has an ash ring. jacobs follower (bram) used an ash ring, and the people in the temple who work for jacob use the ash ring.
all signs point toward jacob being the one trapped in the cabin. im not saying that jacob is the bad guy, but smoky could have unleashed fury all day long, but he didnt. he could have destroyed all of the others moving to and from the temple but he didnt.
All signs point toward the Monster was kept at bay because of Jacob. Jacob isn't the prisoner, he's the warden. Plus Jacob has been leaving the Island alot. How is he in any form the prisoner?
Plus the Monster doesn't really have a reason to kill a random Other, since he isn't nearly as blood thirsty as we though he was. The only people he kills are things he perceives to be a threat to the Island and people he judges to be horrible and irredeemable (Eko and Nikki).
And explain what happened in the Cabin then. Jacob obviously possesses very few qualities that the person in the Cabin did.
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 10:37 am
Posted on 2/6/10 at 10:56 am to OMLandshark
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The only people he kills are things he perceives to be a threat to the Island and people he judges to be horrible and irredeemable (Eko
I thought he killed Eko, because Eko was about to go after and kill Locke for locking him out of the hatch and blowing it up with Desmond?
Am I mixing time lines?
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:05 am to Iona Fan Man
The Eko killing was kind of skewed, him and Ana Lucia got fired for off set trouble, so I guess they had to rush into something..
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:25 am to seawolf06
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MIB did say he admired Locke because he was the only person on the Island who didn't want to leave and saw how pathetic his life off of the Island really was
Yeah, there are several people who don't want to leave. It may have taken them longer than Locke to realize it, but:
1. Locke, of course
2. Rose has wanted to stay on the Island almost since day 1. She has convinced Bernard the same.
3. Kate hasn't shown much desire to get off with the exception of when she did. I don't think she is too eager to go to jail for her life.
4. Sawyer has been pretty happy staying on the Island and has even said he wanted to stay. He changed his mind some, when he could go back with Juliet.
5. Jin/Sun, Sayid, and a few others seem better off on the Island even if they don't realize it.
Jack is the only adamant about getting off that thing. And when he does, he has to go back.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:25 am to lsumatt
Jin/Sun wanted to get off, so that Sun wouldn't die while having her baby
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:39 am to Iona Fan Man
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I thought he killed Eko, because Eko was about to go after and kill Locke for locking him out of the hatch and blowing it up with Desmond?
Am I mixing time lines?
I think he needed Eko to show Locke where the Pearl is, so he spared him in Season 2, but the reason he killed Eko is that he refused to repent and had no remorse for the acts he committed. Ben has said that the Monster is the Judge of the Island, to where this matches its personality.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:39 am to Tigerbait337
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The Eko killing was kind of skewed, him and Ana Lucia got fired for off set trouble, so I guess they had to rush into something..
Eko wasn't fired, he quit. He had Island fever and hated it. So the writers had to put aside his character arc because of the actor.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:15 pm to OMLandshark
I'm mid way through watching season 1 again and I've come up with a slightly wishy washy theory about another MIB controlled aspect.
What are the chances that Vincent, the dog, died in the crash and MIB has taken his shape. Vincent leads them to some important finds and changes the course of a lot of happenings. I will have to rewatch the entire series to see if this could be a true possibility, but I think that it is possible.
What are the chances that Vincent, the dog, died in the crash and MIB has taken his shape. Vincent leads them to some important finds and changes the course of a lot of happenings. I will have to rewatch the entire series to see if this could be a true possibility, but I think that it is possible.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:19 pm to btwnthehedges91
Its possible, but since the Monster can most likely read people's thoughts, I don't see what difference it would make. Also I don't think that the Monster was time traveling with the survivors since Vincent made it to 1977.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:31 pm to OMLandshark
He wouldn't have to time travel as smokie has always been there (or so we think)
It's just an idea though
It's just an idea though
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