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re: No Country For Old Men
Posted on 8/21/08 at 12:34 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
Posted on 8/21/08 at 12:34 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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I think this is a movie that benefits from multiple viewings, and I say that as someone who read and enjoyed the book when it came out. Even having read the book, I got much more out of the movie after I watched it the second time. In fact, the meaning seemed really obvious, hitting the points that you and JT have laid out.
I think this is a movie that benefits from multiple viewings, and I say that as someone who read and enjoyed the book when it came out. Even having read the book, I got much more out of the movie after I watched it the second time. In fact, the meaning seemed really obvious, hitting the points that you and JT have laid out.
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Posted on 8/21/08 at 1:22 pm to steverehage
The part with in the gas station with the coin toss between sick-o and the cashier was the best part of the movie....that and that evilish orgasmic look on his face when killed the cop with the handcuffs.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 3:17 pm to StinkDog12
This is definitely a movie that gets better with repeated viewings.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 3:31 pm to Stewie Griffin
I liked this movie, overall, but the ending left off without conclusion. Maybe someone can help me but what was Tommy Lee Jones' character really there for? I feel like I get the significance of the dream and the title connecting to the character, but he didn't do anything.
This post was edited on 8/21/08 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 8/21/08 at 3:38 pm to SaintEB
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but he didn't do anything.
The movie is basically a depiction of life through his eyes. Life isn't like a movie, and evil usually defeats good because evil knows no boundaries or ethical limits. Sad moral, but true.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 6:31 pm to SaintEB
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I liked this movie, overall, but the ending left off without conclusion. Maybe someone can help me but what was Tommy Lee Jones' character really there for? I feel like I get the significance of the dream and the title connecting to the character, but he didn't do anything.
I didn't get at first that he is the main character of the movie. Part of the reason for this is that I arrived late at the theater and missed the first 5 minutes. That was REALLY relevant to understanding the context of the film.
The film at core is about good and evil. It is set up such that Chigurh and TLJ are opposite sides of the same coin. Good, evil. Freewill, fate, etc. (In fact if you notice, Chigurh's first name is "Anton" and TLJ's name is "Ed Tom" - and when they are spoken by the characters, they sound virtually indistinguishable).
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Perhaps you were like me and were tricked into believing that Moss was the main character. The genius was in how they revealed his death - it happened off screen, and he was casually shown as a corpse when surveying a crime scene, never to be seen or mentioned again. This is the world that an aging Ed Tom is trying to navigate - one in which decent men give all they have in a world that is willing to cut their throats with no remorse. Over time, he's lulled himself into believing that this problem is particular to him and is of an escalating nature, but in reality, his ironic "coming of age" moment this late in his life is to realize that evil has always been vicious and indefatigable. And for him, it's the end of the road. He has admitted to himself that he values his own little corner of good in the world enough to step out of the fray and let someone else risk their life fighting evil.
Posted on 8/21/08 at 8:46 pm to Tiger JJ
That is an excellent analysis, and I think that you are right about what the movie was about. It was interesting to me that a movie that painted such a nihlistic view would be so widely praised. I guess that it says a lot about our culture and our worldview that a movie that says that evil triumphs was a lauded as this one was.
I operate from a Christian worldview, so in my perspective, good will ultimately triumph over evil. That is probably why this movie left me so hollow and discouraged. Generally, the view that good will triumph over evil has been the motif of Western Culture. I wonder if the movement towards a post-Christian Western culture will create more of an audience for this type of fare.
The movie reminded me a lot of "There Will Blood" in the way that it ended. But, there were redemptive elements of that movie in that his adopted son went on to have a good life and the preacher was exposed for what he really was. Anton Chugurh also reminded me of the Joker in "The Dark Knight", but without the humor. Still, I was taken aback by the idea that evil triumphs in the end. Philosophically, I don't agree. We must maintain the ideal of justice. And, even if evil does often triumph on a limited, non-cosmic basis, it makes for difficult viewing.
I operate from a Christian worldview, so in my perspective, good will ultimately triumph over evil. That is probably why this movie left me so hollow and discouraged. Generally, the view that good will triumph over evil has been the motif of Western Culture. I wonder if the movement towards a post-Christian Western culture will create more of an audience for this type of fare.
The movie reminded me a lot of "There Will Blood" in the way that it ended. But, there were redemptive elements of that movie in that his adopted son went on to have a good life and the preacher was exposed for what he really was. Anton Chugurh also reminded me of the Joker in "The Dark Knight", but without the humor. Still, I was taken aback by the idea that evil triumphs in the end. Philosophically, I don't agree. We must maintain the ideal of justice. And, even if evil does often triumph on a limited, non-cosmic basis, it makes for difficult viewing.
Posted on 8/22/08 at 10:13 am to AlaTiger
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I guess that it says a lot about our culture and our worldview that a movie that says that evil triumphs was a lauded as this one was.
Again, I don't think that it says evil triumphs. I think it just says that evil thrives as good thrives.
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Still, I was taken aback by the idea that evil triumphs in the end.
Did evil triumph? I think the car crash signified that evil is just as much at the whim of fate as is good.
Posted on 8/22/08 at 7:50 pm to Tiger JJ
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Did evil triumph? I think the car crash signified that evil is just as much at the whim of fate as is good.
I see your point. It just seems like he got away with everything because a car wreck is hardly justice for all that he did. I have a huge justice streak and it bothers me when justice does not happen. I know that real life is full of injustice, but movies are not real life. They are philosophical statements - especially movies like this.
I do see the reality in it. It is just a reality that causes distress.
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