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re: Official Avengers thread
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:06 pm to TheDarkestNight
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:06 pm to TheDarkestNight
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True, but he had more than anyone else in the crew.
thor had the most by far
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Naw he was just giving orders and people were following because he asked nicely. Idiot.
he was in command in his bio film? at what point?
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No he doesn't. He had some small combat experience, but not much.
thor was a fricking conqueror with his own crew of conquerors, bro. he was the ultimate intergalactic warrior
he was just a punk arse egomaniac and had to be reigned in so that he could reign
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His experience consisted of fighting two people who tried to bootleg his suit.
and cap fought 1 guy without a face who had the cube
and iron man obviously was doing his super hero thing between IM1 and IM2 and IM2 and this movie
captain america had a brief apex and then...nothing
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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:07 pm to magildachunks
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Actually, it was "Well then son, you got a condition."
It was? Hmm good catch. I knew it was something along those lines. Either way, Harry Dean Stanton
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:09 pm to TheDarkestNight
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Every damn movie has plotholes.
possibly, but not every movie has flat characters, bad dialogue, and a shaky plot without drama
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your preconceived notion of the film
i had none. i literally had none going into this movie.
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Do you really not understand why Thor wouldn't just let him rip her apart and destroy the ship
you miss the point
it wasn't rational at all for the hulk to rip up the ship if he had some sort of rational control of the hulk
if he didn't have a rational control of the hulk, there was no development between that and full rational control of hulk, which is a massive hole in his development
if he DID have rational control of the hulk, then it made no sense to tear up the ship or fight thor
take your pick for his fight on the ship (rational or irrational). either way creates a massive problemo
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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True, but he had more than anyone else in the crew.
thor had the most by far
No he didn't. You never watched Captain America or at least you didn't process what you saw. He singlehandedly freed those captive soldiers, brought them back and led several other missions to attack Hydra facilities. He not only had battlefield experience, but he had leadership experience as well.
You really need to shut up because it's clear you don't know what you are talking about.
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Naw he was just giving orders and people were following because he asked nicely. Idiot.
he was in command in his bio film? at what point?
Really? Did you even watch CA? He was in command from the moment he took it upon himself to go free those POWs and save Bucky.
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No he doesn't. He had some small combat experience, but not much.
thor was a fricking conqueror with his own crew of conquerors, bro. he was the ultimate intergalactic warrior
he was just a punk arse egomaniac and had to be reigned in so that he could reign
Thor only did what his father told him to do. Even then his father, Loki, and his crew said he was a hothead. You don't want a hothead leading your crew. Speaking of crews, his group wasn't a part of this movie, so him leading them is of no consequence. This is Earth, not Asgard. He doesn't call the shots in either place.
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and cap fought 1 guy without a face who had the cube
Again, didn't watch Captain America.
Here's a copy of it: I suggest you watch the movie before you try to talk down to someone who has seen each of the movies several times.
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and iron man obviously was doing his super hero thing between IM1 and IM2 and IM2 and this movie
You mean developing energy technologies? Yeah real superhero shite there bruh.
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captain america had a brief apex and then...nothing
okay chief. 
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Hmmm...
It seems there is some argument as for the reason behind the Hulk's control issues.
Has anyone pointed out that the Hulk was out of control whenever Banner fought to retain control? On the ship, Banner was attempting to fight against the Hulk, thus the Hulk's primal instincts took over.
On the other hand, when the Hulk was "willingly" released during the final battle, there was no conflict between Bruce's mind and the Hulk's. There was somewhat of a maintenance of teamwork between the two.
At least, that is how I saw it.
It seems there is some argument as for the reason behind the Hulk's control issues.
Has anyone pointed out that the Hulk was out of control whenever Banner fought to retain control? On the ship, Banner was attempting to fight against the Hulk, thus the Hulk's primal instincts took over.
On the other hand, when the Hulk was "willingly" released during the final battle, there was no conflict between Bruce's mind and the Hulk's. There was somewhat of a maintenance of teamwork between the two.
At least, that is how I saw it.
This post was edited on 5/6/12 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
People seem to have a strong emotional investment in this movie for some reason. I got called a stupid troll earlier for saying that I really liked the movie but find Cap boring.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:19 pm to TheDarkestNight
Maybe all of these "explanations" for Banners sudden mastery of the Hulk in the final act has some background in the Hulk comic source material, but there was NOTHING in the movie that explains why it went down that way. Saying otherwise is a massive reach.
The Hulk was still very entertaining in both the first part of the movie, and the final act, but that doesn't make that hole go away. It was a big enough shift that I noticed it live in the theater and it shook me personally from the flow of the film. Every movie has plot holes, but its not good when they mess with the suspension of disbelief.
The Hulk was still very entertaining in both the first part of the movie, and the final act, but that doesn't make that hole go away. It was a big enough shift that I noticed it live in the theater and it shook me personally from the flow of the film. Every movie has plot holes, but its not good when they mess with the suspension of disbelief.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well in this universe he didn't exactly have a bunch of "battlefield" experience
he also wasn't in command
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A Montage is a technique in film editing in which a series of short shots are edited into a sequence to condense space, time, and information. It is usually used to suggest the passage of time
The montage clearly indicates that Cap and his Howling Commandos were fighting on the reg during WWII and with that he was calling the shots. Not remembering that part of film is costing you this point.
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thor has more "battlefield" experience than captain america, and iron man has more experience fighting super villains
For someone who doesnt understand a off-screen developments in The Wire, you are taking a lot of liberties here with Thor.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Every damn movie has plotholes.
possibly, but not every movie has flat characters, bad dialogue, and a shaky plot without drama
Wow. Yeah you are a complete imbecile. Flat characters? That's a laugh. Bad dialogue? Are you serious? Oh they made a joke in a movie the dialogue sucks. fricking tardsandwich. Shaky plot? WTH? what do you want them to give their whole life stories with a bunch of fake unnecessary drama that no one cares about. Loki, Thanos, and each of the characters had a purpose and the plot was solid. The only holes that are in it are holes you are too stupid to fill with deductive reasoning.
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i had none. i literally had none going into this movie.
Sure guy.
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Do you really not understand why Thor wouldn't just let him rip her apart and destroy the ship
you miss the point
it wasn't rational at all for the hulk to rip up the ship if he had some sort of rational control of the hulk
He never had full control of the Hulk. That's the point. Besides, he was manipulated by Black Widow and then by Loki. Since he wasn't near Loki, he took out his frustration on BW. Pretty easy to understand if you have a lick of common sense.
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if he DID have rational control of the hulk, then it made no sense to tear up the ship or fight thor
take your pick for his fight on the ship (rational or irrational). either way creates a massive problemo
He never had full control of the Hulk. Ever. He said he was always angry. He was putting his will behind staying calm and doing things that calmed him - like helping those in need. When he arrived in Manhattan he was able to direct some of his anger on those who brought it out in him. He became controlled chaos. Besides, if you had watched The Incredbile Hulk, you would realize this isn't the first time he's demonstrated moments of clarity.
Like I said, you are running your mouth without knowing a damn thing about what you are talking about.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:21 pm to TheDarkestNight
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He singlehandedly freed those captive soldiers, brought them back and led several other missions to attack Hydra facilities.
and thor only had conquered just about every "bad guy" in his sector of the universe by the time his movie began
thor led a unit that was highly decorated in battle and was exceptionally successful. this was obviously over a long period of time
did you watch thor?
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You really need to shut up because it's clear you don't know what you are talking about.
again, did you watch thor?
what do you think thor and his team of soldiers were doing to gain their skills and reputation?
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He was in command from the moment he took it upon himself to go free those POWs and save Bucky.
he had no superior officers?
leading a group isn't really "command"
and if you're calling that "command," then, once again, thor wins that competition
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Even then his father, Loki, and his crew said he was a hothead.
what does this have to do with his combat experience and leadership within those combat situations? nothing
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You don't want a hothead leading your crew.
this point would matter if the thor who appeared at the beginning of his movie were trying to lead the avengers
thor went through a character development and lost the ego/brashness. he wasn't a hot head by that point
that was basically the entire point of the thor movie
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Speaking of crews, his group wasn't a part of this movie, so him leading them is of no consequence.
we're talking about experience, and since his crew (and their combat history) is part of this universe, it is of much consequence.
or, are you shifting the argument and are we not arguing combat experience/leadership anymore?
i mean you were bringing up personality traits (that the character didn't have anymore by the time of this movie) of a character, so let me just be clear: we're talking about (1) combat experience and (2) leadership in combat, right?
if you want to talk personality traits, we can, but i didn't think that's what we're discussing
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Again, didn't watch Captain America.
what other supervillains did he fight?
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You mean developing energy technologies? Yeah real superhero shite there bruh.
tony stark can do more than 1 thing at a time, bro
what was captain america doing? nothing
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okay chief.
once he was awaken, what did he do? NOTHING. tell me what he did, other than destroy punching bags and avoid cursing
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
Damn, why is this such a heated debate to some of you guys?
It is a fricking super hero movie.
I enjoyed the film. It was fun and the characters were cool.
What seems to be the problem here?
It is a fricking super hero movie.
I enjoyed the film. It was fun and the characters were cool.
What seems to be the problem here?
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:24 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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People seem to have a strong emotional investment in this movie for some reason. I got called a stupid troll earlier for saying that I really liked the movie but find Cap boring.
To be honest, I can see where you are coming from with that even though I disagree with your opinion.
For me, I've invested over 10 hours in the theater and nearly triple that in repeat viewings with these movies and these characters. Also I have long wanted a true big budget pure action superhero movie where multiple badasses come together and defend their home. I never got really into the comics, so I'm sure there are more people who have more investment into this movie than I do.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:24 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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I got called a stupid troll earlier for saying that I really liked the movie but find Cap boring.
you're 100% right, here
you can remove captain america from this movie and lose nothing
you can't remove hulk (necessary to beat the bad guys), iron man (technology, comic relief, and necessary to give the bad guys an energy source), or thor (god necessary to fight loki)
...MAYBE thor could be removed, but you wouldn't have Loki as the bad guy for sure
you could COMPLETELY remove captain america. hell hawkeye and black widow are more integral to the movie
just like stark or thor lead the team and captain america is useless
i still don't get why you don't want thor leading this team. fighting enemies like this is EXACTLY what he has done his whole life
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:25 pm to Scruffy
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Damn, why is this such a heated debate to some of you guys?
It is a fricking super hero movie.
I enjoyed the film. It was fun and the characters were cool.
What seems to be the problem here?
I don't have the problem, it's just this guy wants to talk down to people and badmouth the film pretending he is above such things when he can't even understand and process what he saw. That's why I am doing what I am doing.
Glad you enjoyed the movie though man.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:26 pm to Scruffy
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On the other hand, when the Hulk was "willingly" released during the final battle, there was no conflict between Bruce's mind and the Hulk's.
it just seems rather convenient and there isn't really an explanation as to why he was so mad at his condition if this existed
the entire movie, up until that point, he was all emo about his condition and not being able to control it. then out of NOWHERE he's just like, "i got this shite"
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:27 pm to RonBurgundy
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The montage clearly indicates that Cap and his Howling Commandos were fighting on the reg during WWII and with that he was calling the shots. Not remembering that part of film is costing you this point.
i mean command as in actually leading. cap got his orders and he did them
if we mean command as in being the leader of a small group, thor still outflanks him
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For someone who doesnt understand a off-screen developments in The Wire,
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you are taking a lot of liberties here with Thor.
how?
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yea, but up until that point, no one had ever said that they needed him in that form.
it just seems rather convenient and there isn't really an explanation as to why he was so mad at his condition if this existed
the entire movie, up until that point, he was all emo about his condition and not being able to control it. then out of NOWHERE he's just like, "i got this shite"
Stark told him how they would need him in that fight. He would be more than just a rampaging monster.
To put it simply, Banner's other side was needed. He had a reason to willingly let it out.
I understand what you are saying though.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
You are thinking too hard about an action movie. Just enjoy it for what it was.
I'm a huge comic book nerd and I've seen it twice (might see it once more).
My thoughts:
Avengers wasn't an AMAZING movie, it was a really badass summer action flick (can i get some more 3D arse from Black Widow?). The weak dialouge and plot didn't allow it to reach out of the comic book genre; and that's ok because Avengers was true to its source material.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:31 pm to schexyoung
quote:Yea, I agree with this SFP.
You are thinking too hard about an action movie. Just enjoy it for what it was.
It is a fun popcorn flick. It had some good action, good characters, and plenty of laughs.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:31 pm to TheDarkestNight
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Flat characters?
yes
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Bad dialogue? Are you serious?
tons of shitty misses of 1 liners = bad dialogue
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Shaky plot? WTH?
i enjoyed the exposition, but even the super fans of this movie admit this movie is just a lead-in to thanos. that's a weak plot
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Sure guy.
i think you need to go review my opinions on movies
i just gave a grand review to another fun movie (that happens to be from the same guy): cabin in the woods
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Besides, he was manipulated by Black Widow and then by Loki.
then why didn't he get mad prior? why did he wait until they were attacked? you still haven't answered this
and why didn't he go after, you know, the guys who JUST ATTACKED HIM?
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When he arrived in Manhattan he was able to direct some of his anger on those who brought it out in him.
well that's convenient
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Besides, if you had watched The Incredbile Hulk, you would realize this isn't the first time he's demonstrated moments of clarity.
i didn't think either of the prior hulk movies were part of this universe, honestly
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