re: Official Avengers thread

Posted by TheDarkestNight

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro

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it just seems rather convenient and there isn't really an explanation as to why he was so mad at his condition if this existed

He wasn't mad at his condition as much as he was mad that the experiment that led to it didn't turn out as he wanted to. He was/is the leading gamma ray radiation expert and this experiment was suppose to give him powers similar to Cap's. It went awry so now hes mad at that, but he seems to be more at peace with that fact.

That's why he was out helping the ill.

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the entire movie, up until that point, he was all emo about his condition and not being able to control it. then out of NOWHERE he's just like, "i got this shite"

If you saw TIH, you'd know that he had the ability to focus while Hulked out. He was learning how to control and focus the rage. This wasn't some new development. Hell in the movie he hadn't broken out into a Hulk rage in quite some time. So he had demonstrated the ability to control it. When he got to Manhattan he basically said frick it, I'm going to let off some steam and save my planet in the process.

Posted by theunknownknight

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:34 pm to SlowFlowPro

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there was never a sense of danger for our heroes

True with the exception of the Thor free fall and Stark sacrificing himself in the other dimension.

Posted by TheDarkestNight

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:36 pm to SlowFlowPro

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i mean command as in actually leading. cap got his orders and he did them

No he didn't. He went in and freed the Howling Commandos and Bucky on his own. He made that call. He was pissed about basically being a war bond salesman and was begging for action. So he took it upon himself. After returning from that first HYDRA camp he decided to wipe out all of their bases. Col. Chester basically just allowed it to go on because the men were going to follow Cap anyways. They wanted payback too and they wanted to help out their Brothers in Arms as well.

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if we mean command as in being the leader of a small group, thor still outflanks him

And where was Thor's crew? Oh that's right, Asgard. Where did this battle take place? Oh that's right, Earth.

Stop trolling.

Posted by RonBurgundy

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:37 pm to SlowFlowPro

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i mean command as in actually leading.

First you said battlefield, now it's general of the army? Make up your mind before posting. Cap is the moral center and has the most battlefield experience. It's why he leads. It's how he has been written in The Avengers since the 60s. This is 100% accurate to the source material.

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how?

Go watch Thor again and then read what you posted.

Posted by SlowFlowPro

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:38 pm to TheDarkestNight

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He wasn't mad at his condition as much as he was mad that the experiment that led to it didn't turn out as he wanted to. He was/is the leading gamma ray radiation expert and this experiment was suppose to give him powers similar to Cap's. It went awry so now hes mad at that, but he seems to be more at peace with that fact.

That's why he was out helping the ill.

you have a bad habit of seriously filling in gaps with your thoughts and acting as if they're facts, fwiw

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If you saw TIH,

have we established that movie was part of this universe? i really don't think it is

i have seen it. twice, but i didn't think it was made to be a part of this series and is a stand alone version of the hulk

Posted by SlowFlowPro

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:39 pm to theunknownknight

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and Stark sacrificing himself in the other dimension.

did you have any doubt that he was alive?

same with thor

at any point did you think the avengers may lose their battle in this movie?

Posted by SlowFlowPro

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:39 pm to TheDarkestNight

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And where was Thor's crew? Oh that's right, Asgard. Where did this battle take place? Oh that's right, Earth.

so does all his experience in leading his group not count now? why not?

Posted by Pectus

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:40 pm to RonBurgundy

For all you Captain haters. He was the voice of reason.

And I think Hulks sudden turn to be in control of The Hulk was the fact that he was finally fighting for something with others. He'd always been on his own, except for his girl, who he protected. As for the Hulk coming back and wrecking that flying monster: I didn't think Banner could consciously change that fast and get that strong unprovoked.

Posted by SlowFlowPro

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:42 pm to RonBurgundy

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First you said battlefield, now it's general of the army? Make up your mind before posting

2 separate concepts

1. battlefield experience: thor wins b/c he has a long history of battling aliens from all over

2. leadership/command. thor didn't command until after his film, but obviously took that role up when he went back to asgard. captain never commanded

leading a crew: CA did this for a short stint in WW2. then he was frozen and when he woke up in modern america, he was kind of just kept hidden. Thor led his crew for a long period prior to the movie and developed a stellar reputation in this role (while being a total a-hole, admittedly). how can anybody say that CA had the advantage in either?

Posted by TheDarkestNight

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:43 pm to SlowFlowPro

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Flat characters?

yes

Troll

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Bad dialogue? Are you serious?

tons of shitty misses of 1 liners = bad dialogue

More trolling

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i enjoyed the exposition, but even the super fans of this movie admit this movie is just a lead-in to thanos. that's a weak plot

Still trolling

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Sure guy.

i think you need to go review my opinions on movies

i just gave a grand review to another fun movie (that happens to be from the same guy): cabin in the woods

Great, I enjoyed Cabin in the Woods as well, but The Avengers was clearly the better film.

There is nothing just solid about this movie. You called it a 6.5-7. That's a joke.

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then why didn't he get mad prior? why did he wait until they were attacked? you still haven't answered this

and why didn't he go after, you know, the guys who JUST ATTACKED HIM?

Why didn't he get mad prior to what? You seem to think that jsut because he's the Hulk, he has to be constantly rampaging.

He only agreed to come in with Black Widow because 1. he was the expert on gamma radiation and 2. She promised that he wouldn't have to unleash the beast.

He was manipulated by Loki when he created the initial hostile threat (stealing the tessaract which is why S.H.I.E.L.D. brought him in in the first place. Then Loki manipulated the rest of the The Avengers into creating a hostile stressful environment for him that hit a tipping point when the ship was attacked. That set him off. When he reached his boiling point, he was pissed at two people: Loki and Black Widow. Only one of them was present. Black Widow. Which is why he attacked her. Thor jumped in the mix because Cap and Iron Man were saving the Helicarrier from crashing and killing thousands and because someone had to stop Hulk from killing Black Widow.

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When he arrived in Manhattan he was able to direct some of his anger on those who brought it out in him.

well that's convenient

Where did you think he was going to go? He had beef with Loki. He wanted to blow off some steam. Where else was he going to do? Dave & Busters for an eat and play combo? God you are so stupid.

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i didn't think either of the prior hulk movies were part of this universe, honestly

Then you clearly don't know what you are talking about and need to piss off.

Posted by SlowFlowPro

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:43 pm to Pectus

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And I think Hulks sudden turn to be in control of The Hulk was the fact that he was finally fighting for something with others. He'd always been on his own, except for his girl, who he protected.

there seems to be a trend of people just filling in this gap with whatever they see fit. seeing 5 different explanations from 5 different people basically tells me that they did a poor job of telling his story

Posted by LSUSaintsHornets

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:45 pm to SlowFlowPro

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why didn't he hulk up when they were teasing us with it during the argument (when this was revealed)? why did he wait to hulk up until they were attacked and he got angry (from the attack)? why was he mad at BW when the attack is what triggered the hulk? why wasn't he out looking for who attacked him?

Did you seriously watch the movie? Why was hulk mad at Thor? Really? The dude threw him threw a wall. Stop imagining plot holes in the Hulk's character.

However you are 100% right about Cap in this movie.

Posted by TheDarkestNight

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:48 pm to SlowFlowPro

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1. battlefield experience: thor wins b/c he has a long history of battling aliens from all over

No he doesn't. He has experience in what are essentially black ops missions. His encounter with the Frost Giants was his biggest battle to date.

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2. leadership/command. thor didn't command until after his film, but obviously took that role up when he went back to asgard. captain never commanded

What? He has his own crew that was following him in his own movie.

I and Ron have already told you that Captain America commanded at least a couple hundred men on his own and developed his own battle strategies as well. I gave you a link to Captain America. I suggest you watch it again before you embarrass yourself more.

Posted by Pectus

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:49 pm to theunknownknight

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there was never a sense of danger for our heroes

True with the exception of the Thor free fall and Stark sacrificing himself in the other dimension.

And those that were just good at fighting and marksmanship.

Posted by TheDarkestNight

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:49 pm to SlowFlowPro

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there seems to be a trend of people just filling in this gap with whatever they see fit. seeing 5 different explanations from 5 different people basically tells me that they did a poor job of telling his story

Nobody is telling you 5 different things. It's the same thing put in different words. You are just too full of yourself to understand simple logic you mongoloid.

Posted by SlowFlowPro

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:49 pm to TheDarkestNight

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Troll

Stark is dynamic

what is round about captain america, thor, banner, or the hulk? they're all pretty 1-dimensional

that's not trolling

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More trolling

how?

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I enjoyed Cabin in the Woods as well, but The Avengers was clearly the better film.

now THAT is some trolling

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You called it a 6.5-7. That's a joke.

that's not too bad in my ratings. that's typically what "genre movie that did a good job of being that stereotypical genre movie well" gets

there's nothing shameful. that means a notch or 2 above average

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Why didn't he get mad prior to what?

um...when they were attacked? did you read the whole quote?

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You seem to think that jsut because he's the Hulk, he has to be constantly rampaging.

dude you do not comprehend simple points

i'll simplify it even more for you

1. he was angry at SHIELD and didn't turn into hulk
2. they were attacked, and THEN he turned into "irrational" hulk

he wasn't "constantly rampaging," but he obviously changed when attacked and NOT due to anger at black widow

so, logically, he shouldn't be angry at black widow, because he turned when attacked. he should be angry at those who attacked him

however, he IS angry at black widow, which makes him irrational hulk

that also is the only logical explanation for why he'd fight thor or be a threat to the ship

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Where did you think he was going to go?

back to India or some other random third world place on the globe. you forget that this isn't the first time similar things have happened to him. what always happens? he leaves and goes into seclusion

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Then you clearly don't know what you are talking about and need to piss off.

do you have any evidence that they were part of this universe?

did i miss a post-credit scene in TIH that links this with avengers?

Posted by SlowFlowPro

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:50 pm to LSUSaintsHornets

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Why was hulk mad at Thor? Really? The dude threw him threw a wall.

then he should have been mad at him a couple hours later for throwing him against a wall

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Stop imagining plot holes in the Hulk's character.

i'm just curious when he went form irrational hulk to rational hulk, and how that happened

Posted by TheDarkestNight

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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:53 pm to TheDarkestNight

As for the heroes being in danger thing. Of course those who knew how the film industry works knew they weren't going to die. Doesn't change the fact that the final battle was epic. BTW, if you were a 7 year old and had no idea that there would be sequels and all of that, then you would have thought these guys were in real danger.

If you are going to call out The Avengers then you need to do the same for Batman in his first two movies. Hell do the same for Harry Potter. I'm sure you'll say the same thing for Superman in Man of Steel. Guess what? Get over it.