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One of your big innovations here is the sci-fi Silver Age Superman stuff — robots, etc. — that has never been in a live-action film.

Yeah, I think that’s the biggest tonally novel thing about this film. And it really is based on the tone of [2000s comic book series] All-Star Superman in a lot of ways. And taking that tone into a cinematic realm is not the usual thing for a superhero movie, or for any movie. So I really was thinking a lot when making the film about graphic novels more than movies

On a story level, what cracked Superman for you?

It was Krypto. The beginning of the movie is the first thing I wrote, with Krypto coming to Superman in the snow and Krypto taking him home. That really was about the tone of the whole movie. It’s a flying dog who wears a cape, but that led immediately to the robots, to the fortress rising from the ground, to the device that isn’t in the comics — the giant magnifying glass, which powers him up more quickly than just the regular sun would. Bringing all those elements into a Superman movie in a way that hasn’t happened — not to mention that he exists in a world where superheroes, or some form of metahumans, have existed for 300 years. It’s just a different thing.

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There are people who’ve been saying the whole future of the studio might be riding on this movie. How do you work in the face of that kind of pressure?

Really, I just go, “That’s their business.” Because that’s not the truth for me. My truth is this is the first movie out of DC Studios. Other people may say, “It’s gotta be a home run, nothing else.” I’m like, “No, I’d be very happy with a double.” fricking Iron Man wasn’t the be-all and end-all. It wasn’t Avatar. We are doing something that’s a piece of the puzzle. It’s not the puzzle itself. We have Peacemaker, we have Supergirl, and what we want to do is make a movie that people love, they feel connected to the characters. It’s just this one movie. It’s not everything.

I hate it when there’s a fricking article and it’s going on about all the problems and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and “that means even more pressure on James Gunn and Superman.” I’m like, “Guys, I’m not responsible for all that. I’m responsible for my piece of the pie. I’ve gotta make my budget back. I’ll be very happy with that.”

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It’s interesting, your answer is much more present tense than I expected. As if it’s an ongoing possibility.

No, I don’t — Batman’s my biggest issue in all of DC right now, personally. And it’s not — I’m not writing Batman, but I am working with the writer of Batman and trying to get it right, because he’s incredibly important to DC, as is Wonder Woman. So outside of the stuff that I’m doing in the projects that are actively going, our two priorities are finishing our Wonder Woman and our Batman scripts.

The Batman script — is that still called The Brave and the Bold?

Right now, yeah. Right now.

In the broadest sense, what needs to be figured out to make those two properties work — Batman in this universe?

Batman has to have a reason for existing, right? So Batman can’t just be “Oh, we’re making a Batman movie because Batman’s the biggest character in all of Warner Bros.,” which he is. But because there’s a need for him in the DCU and a need that he’s not exactly the same as Matt’s Batman. But yet he’s not a campy Batman. I’m not interested in that. I’m not interested in a funny, campy Batman, really. So we’re dealing with that. I think I have a way in, by the way. I think I really know what it’s — I just am dealing with the writer to make sure that we can make it a reality.

And how about for Wonder Woman?

Similar. Wonder Woman I think is actually easier for me, because there haven’t been so many infinite portrayals of Wonder Woman — definitely not in movies, but really anywhere — that there have been of Batman. Every single Batman story has been told. It seems like half the comics that have come out of DC over the past 30 years have Batman in them. He’s the most famous superhero in the world and the most popular superhero in the world. And people love him because he’s interesting, but also having so much of him out there can also make him boring. So how do you create that property that’s fun to watch?

I really should clear this up. Is there still a non-zero chance that Matt Reeves’ Batman will get sucked into your universe?

[Long pause.] I would never say zero, because you just never know. But it’s not likely. It’s not likely at all. I’ll also say Batman Part II is not canceled. That’s the other thing I hear all the time — that Batman Part II is canceled. It’s not canceled. We don’t have a script. Matt’s slow. Let him take his time. Let him do what he’s doing. God, people are mean. Let him do his thing, man.

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Posted on 6/16/25 at 12:35 pm to RLDSC FAN

I watched his podcast with Michael Rosenbaum and he seems pretty confident in Superman succeeding, which he wasn’t at all until he finished the script.

The one thing I don’t love visually is the loose looking suits, but he says he designed it that way because they’re real people wearing uniforms. The Snyder explanation of it being battle armor makes a lot more sense to me.

**Not really spoilers but small character detail for Superman**

I also watched a video from FilmThreat who say they heard some feedback from screenings. Everyone was so worried about a potentially bloated plot, but apparently a lot of the side characters don’t play a very big role in the movie.

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