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re: Selma Was Very Good
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:28 pm to Marciano1
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:28 pm to Marciano1
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Should we ignore the fact that blacks stirred up a ton of trouble as well? Why is it always "evil whitey" and "poor innocent blacks"?
You may have a point. Maybe there should be a movie pointing out how them darkies were guilty of stirring up all that trouble with their demands for "equal rights" and bitching about how they didn't want to get "lynched" for looking at a white woman wrong and stuff like that. Just to give us a more balanced perspective.
Of course, "Selma" does precisely that, but I suppose for you the issue is more about the purity of art and the philosophical nuances of how Jim Crow kept those guilty rights-demanding bastards from gettin' uppity. I can respect that perspective.
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Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:30 pm to Marciano1
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Should we ignore the fact that blacks stirred up a ton of trouble as well?
Link? Or example?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:54 pm to randomways
Until Hollywood gives us a sympathetic Bull Connor biopic it'll be typical liberal media at it's finest.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:58 pm to saintsfan22
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Until Hollywood gives us a sympathetic Bull Connor biopic it'll be typical liberal media at it's finest.
I'd watch it.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 1:18 am to Marciano1
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Should we ignore the fact that blacks stirred up a ton of trouble as well? Why is it always "evil whitey" and "poor innocent blacks"?
Good point. Direct me to all the points in American History where blacks enslaved whites or where whites had less rights than your average white citizens
Posted on 1/11/15 at 2:20 am to dallastiger55
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Plus Oprah is a racist POs
It seems like a large segment of TD posters thinks that every black public figure is a racist
Posted on 1/11/15 at 7:36 am to 504Voodoo
I just like how they have yet to give ant reasons to support that claim.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 7:45 am to Marciano1
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Should we ignore the fact that blacks stirred up a ton of trouble as well? Why is it always "evil whitey" and "poor innocent blacks"? Frick all these white guilt movies.
Yep. Blacks had it made. They should have just accepted what "Whitey" gave them and allowed them to have without complaint. All those "uppity" Negroes and that trouble-maker King with all the other "outside agitators" disrupting the fine race relations and civility of the Southern states causing all of this trouble. Shame.
They brought it on themselves. What did they expect would happen when they broke the segregation laws and tried to eat food at a lunch counter or ride a bus in the front seats or vote or send their kids to a decent school? That billy club upside their head was simply their own fault.
Things were so much better then before the blacks started stirring up a ton of trouble by to integrate.
End sarcasm.
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 7:49 am
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:22 am to AlaTiger
I'm looking forward to seeing it, but will probably wait till it is on demand. The wife and I don't get out to see enough movies and when we do, we usually try to find something we both are interested in and this sort of thing just isn't her deal.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 8:58 am to dallastiger55
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Selma Was Very Good
Because I'm tired of oprah and people like that shoving this shite down our throat
It has a 100% on RT because critics are scared to be called racist if they rip it. Sharpton and jesse Jackson and the race baiters will be all over them
Oprah is the biggest racist since Jamie Foxx
This. Just all of this
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:02 am to Civildawg
All of that?
Have you seen the movie?
Shoving it down your throat?
Are you serious?
Have you seen the movie?
Shoving it down your throat?
Are you serious?
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:12 am to AlaTiger
I'm sure it's a fine movie. Like with any movie based on historical events, I always question accuracy, motive, agenda, etc of those involved in the film. There may be no motive, but I'm generally a skeptic.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:17 am to Civildawg
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This. Just all of this
No. Just none of that.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:19 am to AlaTiger
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and the story needs to be told.
No, it doesn't. It has been told 1000 times. And changing the story so that even the white people who did help in real life are made to look like the enemy serves no purpose than to be racially divisive. The makers of this film will never get a dime of my money.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:24 am to REG861
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barely concealed bigotry.
We as white people are constantly told we are the source of modern day problems for black people, that every action we take or don't take is interpreted as racist by black people, that we cooperate to keep the black man down, and that we don't like Obama because we are racist. And we know movies like this that change the real history to make even the white supporters look evil will only serve to further make black people accuse white people of racism today, and yet we are the bigots for not wanting to support or watch this movie? GFY
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 9:25 am
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:25 am to LeonPhelps
Thank you. You said it way better than I could have
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:38 am to LSUTil_iDie
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most of the atrocities in history were committed by white people sooooo.....
frick. You.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:51 am to LeonPhelps
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quote: and the story needs to be told. No, it doesn't. It has been told 1000 times. And changing the story so that even the white people who did help in real life are made to look like the enemy serves no purpose than to be racially divisive. The makers of this film will never get a dime of my money.
White people throughout the movie were shown in a very positive light. LBJ was used to represent the white establishment who wanted to go slow and keep waiting, which was a very real thing historically. It was a movie, and in movies, you have characters that summarize other characters/events. It was not a documentary, but for the most part, it gets the history right.
And, the story has not been told 1000 times.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 9:58 am to LeonPhelps
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We as white people are constantly told we are the source of modern day problems for black people, that every action we take or don't take is interpreted as racist by black people, that we cooperate to keep the black man down, and that we don't like Obama because we are racist. And we know movies like this that change the real history to make even the white supporters look evil will only serve to further make black people accuse white people of racism today, and yet we are the bigots for not wanting to support or watch this movie? GFY
That isn't what was going on in this movie, but I have no doubt that you would see it that way.
LBJ was the biggest wheeler-dealer politician that we have seen in the White House. The movie representing him as wanting to wait on Voting Rights because he had other agendas is not off base historically. It does not show him as hating black people. It shows him as a politician who wanted to do things to benefit him. That is all true.
It shows Wallace and Jim Clark as they really were. Wallace ended up changing in the 1970s and black people kept electing him as governor. But, he repented. It shows Wallace as he was. Jim Clark NEVER repented for what he did. In 2006, he was interviewed and said that he would do it all again.
The movie didn't change the real history. It used LBJ to represent what was really going on and made him more oppositional than he was, but it was true to the actual events and mood at the time. It is called artistic license and every movie does it because you have to tell a huge story in 2 hours.
If black people want to accuse white people of racism today because of what happened in the past, they have plenty or reason to do so. Those reasons are wrapped up in our own history and you ignoring it doesn't change it.
When the story is actually told and understood, we have a better chance of moving on together. The White approach of telling everyone to just get over it and don't bring it up anymore hasn't worked very well.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 10:32 am to AlaTiger
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If black people want to accuse white people of racism today because of what happened in the past, they have plenty or reason to do so. Those reasons are wrapped up in our own history and you ignoring it doesn't change it.
I see where you are coming from, but understand my perspective. You say "our history", but none of that had anything to do with me or my family. I was never raised to be racist. I first hand witnessed zero racism in my life - the one black male in my class was the president of every club, received an outstanding graduate award, and was a very good friend of mine. So I get riled up when told I am part of the "white people terrible racism history". I am not.
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