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Posted on 4/28/10 at 1:59 pm to uway
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That's different for a lot of reasons. Mostly b/c it's not human cruelty. "Eaten by a lion" is not the same as "tortured and beheaded" by men.
The same book I was talking about has stories about people being tortured and beheaded by men.
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For what purpose? Research on animal behavior and ways to prevent such occurrences?
If it's just for entertainment value, then that is a sick bastard. I assume you're going to lay some name on me of some Republican that likes that sort of thing, but IDGAF.
Nah, it's just in the same best selling book whose central theme (to many) is a story about a guy who gets tortured and killed.
BTW, that book is THE BIBLE.
You failed to answer the question about the beheading video...
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:01 pm to uway
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If I had chosen to watch that, it would have been like me choosing to watch a movie about the Bataan Death March. I wouldn't watch for the cruelty, but to make sure I had a clear understanding of the enemy and to in a way honor the fallen. I can't speak for the millions who watched it and their motivations.
I can't speak for BROffshoreTigerfan's motivations either. I just think he should think about his own reasons for watching that shite.
Curiosity is a valid reason. It's not like homeboy's watching it over and over...
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:05 pm to Sophandros
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Nah, it's just in the same best selling book whose central theme (to many) is a story about a guy who gets tortured and killed.
BTW, that book is THE BIBLE.
It doesn't surprise me that a nihilistic atheistic liberal is incapable of basic levels of discriminatory thought. All discrimination is bad, right?
Reminds me of Rex calling The Passion of the Christ "torture porn". I couldn't ask for clearer evidence that Rex (or you, evidently) is clueless.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:16 pm to uway
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I can't speak for BROffshoreTigerfan's motivations either. I just think he should think about his own reasons for watching that shite
I don't know if I have any reasons, other than curiousity. The idea for viewing the snuff movie came up innocently enough. Bunch of guys sitting around late one night drinking, talking about everything from sports to movies. The Faces of Death series came up as the topics of drunken conversation went from normal movies, to fricked up ones.
Someone made the comment that he could get a snuff film, and asked if anyone would be interested in seeing it. About half said they wouldn't watch it, and the rest said they'd check it out due to curiousity, and to see if it was an actual "snuff" movie.
It took a few days to get the tape, as he had to go through several contacts to get it. Few nights later, we're all back there, and he pulls the tape out. The half that weren't interested, went to another room or left. We stuck around and checked it out.
I said earlier that I don't know if it was legit or not. And I stand by that. I can't guarantee that it was legit, and I can't guarantee that it wasn't.
I can guarantee that it was severely fricked up and if I had to bet money on the spot, without being able to check it's validity technically, I'd bet that it was real.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:23 pm to uway
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It doesn't surprise me that a nihilistic atheistic liberal is incapable of basic levels of discriminatory thought. All discrimination is bad, right?
I'm neither nihilistic nor atheistic. Thanks for playing though.
I'm just using the example to prove how off base you are with your passing judgement on others based on watching a movie once.
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Reminds me of Rex calling The Passion of the Christ "torture porn". I couldn't ask for clearer evidence that Rex (or you, evidently) is clueless.
Actually, I'm surprised that you'd stand up for The Passion of the Christ, since it does have some pretty brutal elements.
Then again, you seem like the sort of person who doesn't realize that Christian rock (for example) sucks--not because of the Christian part but because of the rock part--because he agrees with the message that it delivers.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:27 pm to Sophandros
Human Centipede thread,
To the POLITICAL BOARD YOU GO!!!!
To the POLITICAL BOARD YOU GO!!!!
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:35 pm to uway
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I know that you're a good guy, but if you would choose to sit there and watch what BROffshoreTiger described just for the hell of it, then I would say it would take a lot of convincing for me to think that things are cool in cocomo-land.
I'd watch it. Or at least I'd try to. That kind of stuff is fascinating to me. Not awesome, or cool, but fascinating and intriguing. It's not something that I "like" or particularly enjoy watching, but sometimes I get in moods when I'm intrigued with fricked up things. And that video would fall under that category to me.
I'm a normal guy, and harbor no ill thoughts or intentions about harming other people in any way. And just because I occasionally let my human curiosity wander into the realm of morbidity, that doesn't mean that I am a person who is not 100% mentally or emotionally normal.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:36 pm to CocomoLSU
well said. That applies to me as well. I am just an adrenaline junkie and watching a movie like this is easier than riding a roller coaster every other day.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:36 pm to Sophandros
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Watching out of curiosity = no problem.
Watching for pleasure = problem.
My thoughts exactly, and I couldn't agree more with that.
And by the way:
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BTW, that book is THE BIBLE.
I saw that coming a MILE away.
This post was edited on 4/28/10 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:36 pm to Sophandros
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I'm just using the example to prove how off base you are with your passing judgement on others based on watching a movie once.
I passed judgment on a mindset. And your example is completely bogus, dumbass.
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Then again, you seem like the sort of person who doesn't realize that Christian rock (for example) sucks--not because of the Christian part but because of the rock part--because he agrees with the message that it delivers.
Christian rock sucks.
And please, tell me the "message" of Human Centipede or the snuff film your boy watched.
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Actually, I'm surprised that you'd stand up for The Passion of the Christ, since it does have some pretty brutal elements.
Well some of us do make logical distinctions.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:46 pm to uway
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And please, tell me the "message" of Human Centipede or the snuff film your boy watched.
I think the underlying message is about human curiosity. We, as humans, have always been intrigued by life and death. And the chance to view death (true, actual, real death) doesn't happen very often for the majority of us. So when the opportunity presents itself to do so, some of us are drawn to it, and some of us are run off by it. And I don't think either one of those stances is better or worse than the other. That's just my opinion though.
But like Soph said...the key difference is curiosity versus pleasure.
Example: I've watched clips of the BME Olympics. I knew what it was going in, and knew that I wasn't gonna enjoy it, but I was curious to if it was as bad as I had heard. And some of it was, and some of it wasn't. Some of it was "Wow.." and some of it was "What the frick?!?!" But the bottom line is that I was glad I witnessed it for myself and could draw my own conclusions from it...even if some of it stays with me or changes me in some way (like the Nick Berg beheading video, for example...those noises just seem to stick with you for a while after you watch it).
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:48 pm to uway
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uway
Clearly, this conversation is too far over your head if you failed to recognize the argument when it was first made and then failed to recognize how it was used.
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I passed judgment on a mindset.
You're passing judgment on curiosity?
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Christian rock sucks.
And please, tell me the "message" of Human Centipede or the snuff film your boy watched.
No one ever claimed for there to be a message in HC or a snuff film.
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Well some of us do make logical distinctions.
Yes, we do. However, you do not.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 2:55 pm to Sophandros
The message of Human Centipede:
How fricked up humanity is...the deep, deep underlying message perhaps is that there are all sorts of intelligent and genius people in this world, but with terrible parental guidance and upbringing, that insatiable appetite for knowledge gets distorted by most peoples' moral standards...and becomes a person who wants to sew assholes and mouths together.
*this is directed at uway BTW.
How fricked up humanity is...the deep, deep underlying message perhaps is that there are all sorts of intelligent and genius people in this world, but with terrible parental guidance and upbringing, that insatiable appetite for knowledge gets distorted by most peoples' moral standards...and becomes a person who wants to sew assholes and mouths together.
*this is directed at uway BTW.
This post was edited on 4/28/10 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 4/28/10 at 3:00 pm to PiscesTiger
That goes for all fricked up criminals. Just about every movie's bad guy probably didn't have a good childhood.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 3:00 pm to PiscesTiger
Good point.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 3:09 pm to Sophandros
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Clearly, this conversation is too far over your head if you failed to recognize the argument when it was first made and then failed to recognize how it was used.
B/c I didn't immediately think of the Bible when you were coming up with examples of f'd up things? That just means I'm less ridiculous than you are.
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You're passing judgment on curiosity?
I've hinted repeatedly that we all have varying levels of this curiosity, but that it falls to us to choose the better road. The better road is certainly not the one that leads to viewing young girls decapitations out of "curiosity".
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No one ever claimed for there to be a message in HC or a snuff film.
You said this:
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Then again, you seem like the sort of person who doesn't realize that Christian rock (for example) sucks--not because of the Christian part but because of the rock part--because he agrees with the message that it delivers.
In the context of the discussion, you had to be saying I would be ok with depraved shite like Human Centipede if I agreed with its message. The whole point of this entire back and forth is that things like Human Centipede and snuff films have no point and are thus different (for that among other obvious reasons) than things like The Passion of the Christ.
Curiosity is a shitty excuse for watching a real girl be murdered or a fake girl eat feces. I don't care who you are.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 3:18 pm to uway
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it falls to us to choose the better road. The better road is certainly not the one that leads to viewing young girls decapitations out of "curiosity".
Says who?
Again, you're falling into an awfully slippery "better vs. worse" situation. When IMO, one is not any better or worse than the other.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 3:22 pm to uway
Meh.
Before I begin ignoring you on this thread, however, I'm going to find a way to purchase Human Centipede and buy at least 15-20 copies, so that I can encourage them to make more movies like it. Because, you know, the production company will go nuts when there are over 100 copies sold, so they will immediately want to churn out more.
Before I begin ignoring you on this thread, however, I'm going to find a way to purchase Human Centipede and buy at least 15-20 copies, so that I can encourage them to make more movies like it. Because, you know, the production company will go nuts when there are over 100 copies sold, so they will immediately want to churn out more.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 3:25 pm to uway
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Curiosity is a shitty excuse for watching a real girl be murdered or a fake girl eat feces. I don't care who you are.
You don't have to agree. You don't even have to understand. You just have to grasp that everyone is not like you, and just because they view something that's fricked up and that you would never view, they are not immoral, or indecent, or depraved.
My interest in these movies (not snuff; I'm talking about HC, Martyr or any of those types) are more for the psychological mind frame than they are to view acts that push the limits of decency. I'm very intrigued by the way that the mind works and how it acts.
Some of the greatest minds in the history of mankind had some sort of instability. Einstein played a big part in the creation of the atomic bomb. He knew the work that he was doing, and what this work could be used for. And he still did it.
It's also no surprise that many serial killers are borderline genius.
You see these movies as an abomination. I see them as an artistic expression by someone with an extremely vivid imagination.
ETA: bolded section to make sure everyone knew I was talking about the fake movies, not the real snuff films.
This post was edited on 4/28/10 at 3:29 pm
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