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re: True Detective (Collective Theories Thread)
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:01 am to souldog
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:01 am to souldog
Rust Cohle is also an anagram for "Cruel Shot"
The fallout between Marty and Rust occurs because Rust shoots Marty's kid...foreshadowing at the dinner table when she asks Rust if he's ever shot a gun
The fallout between Marty and Rust occurs because Rust shoots Marty's kid...foreshadowing at the dinner table when she asks Rust if he's ever shot a gun
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:03 am to Cockopotamus
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This is my working theory after last nights episode.
I think that Audrey (the slutty daughter) is killed in 2002. The powers that be use this to get Marty (and by extension Rusty) taken off of the case.
At this point Rusty figures that Audrey being murdered had more to do with trying to get him off the case than Marty. He realizes that the people pulling the strings know enough about him to know that he won't just give up just because it's not "his case". The next logical step would be to kill him to permanently remove him from the situation (a move that would be much less suspicious now that it's not even his case and they can easily pin his murder on one or more of the criminals he has worked with while he was undercover).
Needing space and time to find out exactly who is involved and knowing that somebody politically connected wants him dead , Rusty brings his career in Law Enforcement to an end and decides to go off the grid. A grieving and pissed off Marty initially offers to go with him to figure out who killed his daughter, but Rusty needs a man still on the inside.
He knows that if he just up and quits directly after being taken off the case TBTB will keep an extra close eye on Marty to make sure he is not giving Rusty police resources to work the case or worse use Marty or his family to get to Rusty (because at this point Marty and Maggie are the closest thing to family he's got).
To throw the scent off and fool people into believing that Rusty is the last person that Marty would risk his neck for they stage a "Falling Out". They have a public argument about some kind of betrayal (like Rusty sleeping with Marty's wife or something like that) and Rusty quits on the spot and immediately goes to ground.
So for 8 years Rusty has been working the case and identifying the players and Marty has been giving him help where he can.
Why does it work? Although we have been led to believe in the beginning that Marty and Rusty were never really friends, the evidence has shown that to be just another lie to the 2 current detectives. Look at Rusty's life before he met Marty (living in a bare threads apartment and no friends) and after (He allows Marty and Maggie to drag him into their personal problems and lets them set him up with Maggie's friends. You think he would let just anybody inconvenience him like that?)
Also look at Marty's attitude towards them accusing Rusty this past episode. He was pissed off and more than a little protective. Also in the previews they show Maggie taking up for Rusty. So why lie how close they are to him?
TLDR version- Rust and Marty have been playing everyone for fools for years and are gonna wreck shop real soon
Absolutely, something happens to Marty's daughter and the only way to work the case is Rust leaving. They stage a falling out and Marty helps Rust where he can. How Marty's daughter becomes involved in the cult and how long they have had their hooks in her is unknown. We do know the spiral symbol has been floated on screen in the house and Autry has been messed up for a while.
I don't believe the wife or grandpa are involved, it's too coincidental. The beer "can men" Rust is making is giving us clues to how many people are involved. It seems to be a circle of 5 major players Tuttles, Ledeaux, Spaghetti Man (Lawnmower Man), and 2 more major political players.
I find it interesting that Rust has broken down Ledeaux's concept of life and breaks it down to the 2 black detectives who just don't see what he is getting at. I almost feel Rust even believes in the theory at this point. IMO Rust and Marty have nothing to do with the murders but they were getting close and it's why a new murder has happened. Rust looks like an easy target to push murder on but he was getting a read on the police who are still in the dark. I want to see his fricking storage room with all his evidence.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 8:07 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:08 am to Mizzou to my Lou
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Rust Cohle is also an anagram for "Cruel Shot"
The fallout between Marty and Rust occurs because Rust shoots Marty's kid...foreshadowing at the dinner table when she asks Rust if he's ever shot a gun
Then why do the black detectives say they know Marty and Cole have been in contact recently?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:12 am to TOKEN
Marty was able to come to terms with his daughter's death and bury the hatchet, so to speak, in order to complete the investigation. After all, she was the captain of the varsity slut team and not the one he actually liked.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:53 am to Mizzou to my Lou
Where are yall getting the theories about something happening to Marty's daughter?
Is it discussed in an episode and I missed it somehow or is this pure board speculation?
Is it discussed in an episode and I missed it somehow or is this pure board speculation?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:04 am to CBandits82
I believe it's the foreboding speech Marty gives, paired with the ominous music, while they show his daughter wearing a crown. The tie Marty is wearing during that scene is also a dead giveaway.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:15 am to econ85
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I think you're dead on. Nic Pizzolatt said that everything we need to solve the case is right in front of us the first two episodes. That's in-line with the rich cult theory.
Not disputing this, but do you have a link to this interview?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:39 am to uglycasanova7
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:41 am to rebeloke
Apparently there is a ton of info in the first murder scene.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:44 am to CBandits82
Yeah but that is Monday morning QBing. Everybody has good vision with hindsight. 
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:52 am to rebeloke
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Did you ever get any pressure to cut McConaughey’s monologues?
Some critics have complained about them. Yeah. I was told that we needed to get rid of the monologues and make True Detective more like one of the shows that everyone was saying we were like before we premiered. And I just said no: that’s not the show we set out to make. This isn’t CSI: Louisiana. This isn’t Law & Order: McConaughey and Harrelson. What you’re describing is not something I will allow my name to be on. And I think you have to be willing to do that. I have a choice between seeing something done wrong or making an enemy, introduce me to my new enemy. You have to be diplomat and fighter.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:56 am to TOKEN
anyone see Mathew McConnoughey last night on Kimmel? they showed a brief clip of a scene that has to be from this week's upcoming episode. it was before the fight they have with each other at the police station.
Wooody says something like "you need to stop going around bothering people about old cases" and grabs Rust's shirt…
Rust says something like "I'm doing my job, just write up the reports, I get people to talk and you write up the stats, that sure has worked well for you so far hasn't it"?
Then woody grabs him and says " I am the ONLY ONE who ever took up for you around here"
Looks like Rust wouldn't let the case go and Marty just got enough of it at some point and that may be the "split" between the two.
Wooody says something like "you need to stop going around bothering people about old cases" and grabs Rust's shirt…
Rust says something like "I'm doing my job, just write up the reports, I get people to talk and you write up the stats, that sure has worked well for you so far hasn't it"?
Then woody grabs him and says " I am the ONLY ONE who ever took up for you around here"
Looks like Rust wouldn't let the case go and Marty just got enough of it at some point and that may be the "split" between the two.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:11 am to CBandits82
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Apparently there is a ton of info in the first murder scene.
I've seen this a couple of places. Supposedly there's enough in the first like 3 minutes to be able to put most of it together. I went back and watched it last night on my DVR, and... I didn't get anything new out of it.
The one thing that's weird is that the pilot actually starts with a dark scene of 2 figures in silloutte - either one is carrying or helping the other, or both are leaning on each other. It look like one is carrying a gun. Then someone lights a torch and you see a field on fire. Then you see the first scene with Mary and Rust with the other cops by the tree with the girl in daylight.
What I am not sure of is - who are those figures and where are they in the timeline? Is that Marty & Rust in some future time i.e. flash-forward forshadowing? Or is that the killer dragging the girl out to place her by the tree? Is the field on fire in the future, or is that the fire that was lit near the girl they find by the tree? Watching that first few minutes reminded me that the cane field around the tree is shown to be smoldering.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 10:12 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 11:15 am to Tiger Ryno
MM is a cool customer. 
Posted on 2/20/14 at 11:59 am to Cooter Davenport
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Or is that the killer dragging the girl out to place her by the tree? Is the field on fire in the future, or is that the fire that was lit near the girl they find by the tree? Watching that first few minutes reminded me that the cane field around the tree is shown to be smoldering.
I thought it was fairly obvious that that was the person who was moving the body, set it up, and then started the fire...
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:47 pm to Cooter Davenport
I'm going to take a slightly different view on it. I think Captain Slut is a bit too easy a target, I think TPTB target the "good" daughter. Not only is it a good swerve for the viewers (since, if they are going to get a sense of foreboding about one of the daughters it would normally be the "bad" one), but it would then be a more harsh emotional burden for Marty to have to bear if the "innocent" one were to die. This could also be played into driving an even larger wedge between Marty and his wife.
There was a character introduced to Rust at the police office who was some sort of preacher with stroke. I think that guy is going to be one of the men running things.
There was a character introduced to Rust at the police office who was some sort of preacher with stroke. I think that guy is going to be one of the men running things.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:24 pm to Bard
I think Audrey is going to be involved for sure. They could definitely frick some shite up and take out his younger daughter as well.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:44 pm to guedeaux
Cool. I'm just over-analyzing the heck out of it because of all this talk that it contains a big clue. Going to watch that scene again after work.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 1:47 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Cool. I'm just over-analyzing the heck out of it because of all this talk that it contains a big clue. Going to watch that scene again after work.
I am going to China on monday, so I plan to binge watch and over-analyze all 6 eps multiple times on flights there and back hahaha
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 2/20/14 at 2:00 pm to guedeaux
This show is going down as GOAT.
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