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re: Where does the Grateful Dead rank?
Posted on 6/26/12 at 9:55 am to TreyAnastasio
Posted on 6/26/12 at 9:55 am to TreyAnastasio
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Wont load on my mobile. All i can tell you is that i saw my 1st show in 95 and hated it. I saw them a few more times in 96, still hated them. But once they got back from europe in spring of 97, everything changed.
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:00 am to TreyAnastasio
The Grateful Dead are my favorite band who ever played music on planet earth. It can go from one rocking end of the musical spectrum to one beautiful and soft end of the spectrum. They could do it all
That being said, they were really a two, maybe three man band.
Jerry Garcia could write fantastic bluegrass, reggae, folk, rock, psychedelic music. He could do it all. Music oozed out of the mans pores. All different types of music. Some of his guitar work is so subtle and beautiful. Some of it is loud and heavy.
The most underrated aspect of the band and second most important "member" is Robert Hunter. The man wrote songs on the level of Bob Dylan in my opinion. His lyrics are some of the most beautiful ever written by an american songwriter. He is easily the most underrated part of the Grateful Dead and probably the most underrated American songwriter ever.
Phil Lesh is a badass bass player.
The rest could be interchanged imo.
If you can name me another band who has come closet to selling as many concert tickets combined with albums and a fan base who is still as rabid as dead heads are, I would love to know who they are.
That being said, they were really a two, maybe three man band.
Jerry Garcia could write fantastic bluegrass, reggae, folk, rock, psychedelic music. He could do it all. Music oozed out of the mans pores. All different types of music. Some of his guitar work is so subtle and beautiful. Some of it is loud and heavy.
The most underrated aspect of the band and second most important "member" is Robert Hunter. The man wrote songs on the level of Bob Dylan in my opinion. His lyrics are some of the most beautiful ever written by an american songwriter. He is easily the most underrated part of the Grateful Dead and probably the most underrated American songwriter ever.
Phil Lesh is a badass bass player.
The rest could be interchanged imo.
If you can name me another band who has come closet to selling as many concert tickets combined with albums and a fan base who is still as rabid as dead heads are, I would love to know who they are.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:02 pm to UPT
Jerry is a better singer than Trey, but Trey blows him away in guitar playing.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:13 pm to Souljah
The Dead is a niche band. A great niche band, and certainly not my niche, but they filled it well and have their adherents for a reason. But I think if you came up with an objective metric for best American band measuring critical acclaim, commercial success, influence, and longevity… the Dead would likely be top ten. They didn’t have loads of commercial success, but they hit on the other metrics. Actually, the only bands I can think of that would score real high on all four would be REM and the Beastie Boys. Maybe Sly and the Family Stone and the Beach Boys if you count the Brian Wilson-less years (which I try not to).
Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:40 pm to Baloo
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I can think of that would score real high on all four would be REM and the Beastie Boys. Maybe Sly and the Family Stone and the Beach Boys if you count the Brian Wilson-less years (which I try not to).
Pearl Jam.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:44 pm to Souljah
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Jerry is a better singer than Trey, but Trey blows him away in guitar playing.
Yeah, no shite. technique wise on an electric guitar of course. He can't play bluegrass like Jerry could, he doesn't have that feeling in his blues playing like Jerry did... I hate when people say shite like that. I love them both to death. Driving to Deer Creek tomorrow to see Phish.
And Jimmy Herring is 10x the better guitar player than Mikey Houser and I'd rather hear Houser play every single time.
The "better" guitar player is usually the more boring guitar player imo. case in point: Houser/Herring.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:49 pm to UPT
Jimmy isnt boring at all, he is just so much better than everyone in Panic all he can do is solo over the top of them. Listen to him play with ARU or Jazz is Dead. He is a virtuoso.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:53 pm to CottonWasKing
The Grateful Dead were never as good as their devoted fans or as bad as their detractors believed them to be. I saw them on enough occasions to have witnessed shows that were absolutely amazing while other times they were unlistenable. Incredibly this would happen on the same tour.
Their influence on musicians is overrated. They were not the only American jam band from the 60's, merely the most persistent. Their true legacy is their refusal to use a scripted playlist and allowance of fans to tape their performances. They are celebrated as much for the devotion of their fans as their music. And let's face it the hardcore Deadheads were not exactly what most Americans would hope for their children to grow up to be.
Their influence on musicians is overrated. They were not the only American jam band from the 60's, merely the most persistent. Their true legacy is their refusal to use a scripted playlist and allowance of fans to tape their performances. They are celebrated as much for the devotion of their fans as their music. And let's face it the hardcore Deadheads were not exactly what most Americans would hope for their children to grow up to be.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:04 pm to UPT
I happen to like them a lot. But, I don't think they were a two or three man band.
Each member of that band played an inteegral part. Yes. keyboardists were "interchangeable" as they died or got kicked out or left, but when each was there, he was no less important and helped make the band what it was in that era.
I'm not sure how the dead woulf be without Bob. He lays down bizarre, add-like rythm, and cheezes it up like no other rock star ever. Phil is I think one of the, if no the, best bass player ever. Mickey and Billy drive that bus all over the place.
as far as rankingin American Bands, #1 for me, definitely top 2-3. Not really sure who goes ahead of them. CCR was good, has maybe more recognizable songs, but so what?
Who else toured the country almost non-stop for 30 years?
Is there any more melodic guitar player that JG ever?
Who else's music spanned so many genres, styles and years?
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Each member of that band played an inteegral part. Yes. keyboardists were "interchangeable" as they died or got kicked out or left, but when each was there, he was no less important and helped make the band what it was in that era.
I'm not sure how the dead woulf be without Bob. He lays down bizarre, add-like rythm, and cheezes it up like no other rock star ever. Phil is I think one of the, if no the, best bass player ever. Mickey and Billy drive that bus all over the place.
as far as rankingin American Bands, #1 for me, definitely top 2-3. Not really sure who goes ahead of them. CCR was good, has maybe more recognizable songs, but so what?
Who else toured the country almost non-stop for 30 years?
Is there any more melodic guitar player that JG ever?
Who else's music spanned so many genres, styles and years?
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:20 pm to UPT
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The "better" guitar player is usually the more boring guitar player imo. case in point: Houser/Herring.
Valid point (I'm thinking of UM's two guitarists) but this doesn't apply to Trey.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:24 pm to Souljah
Never really got into the acid/touring part of their scene, but just from a "do I like their stuff" angle?
Love them. Lots of great music.
Love them. Lots of great music.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 2:17 pm to CottonWasKing
They weren't as good as other bands, but some nights they were the best. They walked the tight rope every night they played, no net, no set list. When they bombed they owned it (like the Eyes of the World I once saw them sprint through at about 200 bpm) but when they locked in and "the music played the band", well....you were lucky if you were there to witness it. For me, the magic was largely a result of JG's guitar playing but the other band members all knew how to find their own place within each song to do their thing, and not just present a canvas for Jerry to solo over. When they were really cooking, if you listened closely, you could hear each player going off on their own but somehow they were all playing together. Everyone was an individual, being free and doing what they wanted. They were America in the form of a band.
Then there's the whole experience of going to a dead show or even following them on a tour. From the beginning the dead were a group of guys that played music at gatherings of hippie freaks. If you listened to them, great. If not you were doing your own thing and having a good time anyway. This is the type of attitude that made "Jerry World" (the parking lot scene outside the venue) almost worth the ticket price to see the band. Walking through it was like walking through a market bazaar in Marakesh populated by hairy white college kids bent on LSD. From the guy selling "Yummy Yummy Veggie Stir Fry, organically grown rice!" to the OT 10 hippie chick in the see through flower dress dancing by herself rolling a glass globe around her upper body like some Harlem Globetrotter acid casualty, to the guy in the '89 red Honda Civic hatchback (with one back seat folded down to accomodate the 6' tank of pharmaceutical nitrous that had been acquired by jumping the backyard fence at a dentist's office) handing out balloons, to the guy in the lotus position, head back, eyes closed, with the engine from his VW bus dropped and disassembled on a blanket in front of him presumably meditating to get in the proper mindframe to take on the challenge of rebuilding the thing in time to get him to the next show.....going to see the dead really was like running away to join the circus, even if it was only for a little while. If felt like pure freedom. Shouldn't an american band promote freedom? In this sence they were #1.
IMO, tl;dr, PIIHB, etc.
Then there's the whole experience of going to a dead show or even following them on a tour. From the beginning the dead were a group of guys that played music at gatherings of hippie freaks. If you listened to them, great. If not you were doing your own thing and having a good time anyway. This is the type of attitude that made "Jerry World" (the parking lot scene outside the venue) almost worth the ticket price to see the band. Walking through it was like walking through a market bazaar in Marakesh populated by hairy white college kids bent on LSD. From the guy selling "Yummy Yummy Veggie Stir Fry, organically grown rice!" to the OT 10 hippie chick in the see through flower dress dancing by herself rolling a glass globe around her upper body like some Harlem Globetrotter acid casualty, to the guy in the '89 red Honda Civic hatchback (with one back seat folded down to accomodate the 6' tank of pharmaceutical nitrous that had been acquired by jumping the backyard fence at a dentist's office) handing out balloons, to the guy in the lotus position, head back, eyes closed, with the engine from his VW bus dropped and disassembled on a blanket in front of him presumably meditating to get in the proper mindframe to take on the challenge of rebuilding the thing in time to get him to the next show.....going to see the dead really was like running away to join the circus, even if it was only for a little while. If felt like pure freedom. Shouldn't an american band promote freedom? In this sence they were #1.
IMO, tl;dr, PIIHB, etc.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 2:44 pm to ChoupiqueSacalait
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:00 pm to UPT
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The man wrote songs on the level of Bob Dylan in my opinion
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:04 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Jimmy isnt boring at all, he is just so much better than everyone in Panic all he can do is solo over the top of them. Listen to him play with ARU or Jazz is Dead. He is a virtuoso.
I have all of that. I tried to convince myself that I liked it because I invested so much of my youth traveling around south east seeing Panic, but the truth is that ARU and Jazz Is Dead bores the shite out of me.
Jimmy Herring bores me to tears and he plays WAAAAAAAYYYY too many notes to be the guitar player for Widespread Panic. Should have been Sam Holt as soon as Houser died.
Jimmy was a lot better as fake Jerry in The Dead and fake Dickey in the Allmans. He is a TERRIBLE fake Mikey.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:06 pm to ChoupiqueSacalait
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Posted by ChoupiqueSacalait
Amen brother!
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:08 pm to UPT
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Jimmy was a lot better as fake Jerry in The Dead and fake Dickey in the Allmans.
I agree.
However I still love Panic with Jimmy. They are still the best show in town in my opinion. I think Panic relied on JB just as much as they did Houser and JB is keeping it going. Are they as good as they were with Mikey? No, they never will be but are they still an amazing band with a phenomenal live act? Without a fricking doubt.
I didn't hate GMAC either though so
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:12 pm to CottonWasKing
Man, Panic is just awful these days. I dont think I could be paid to go see them. 
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:25 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Man, Panic is just awful these days. I dont think I could be paid to go see them.
Well I really really don't like Phish so
Different strokes and all that jazz
ETA: Panic's Wood Tour right before they went on hiatus was legit as frick
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:27 pm to CottonWasKing
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I think Panic relied on JB just as much as they did Houser and JB is keeping it going.
If this is true they would have been able to write a decent song since Houser died and I'm thinking of about two or three that are decent.
After Houser died it became glaringly obvious who the biggest creative force in that band was.
Thread hijack. sorry.
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