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Posted on 3/21/12 at 6:56 pm to 3HourTour
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The CBA doesn't apply to coaches and other employees of teams right? I haven't done much research. Just thinking out loud. That's why I posed the question how does the NFL have the right to suspend a coach.
true, coaches not part of the NFLPA
Posted on 3/21/12 at 6:57 pm to TortiousTiger
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i think it was the organization that was fined.
yes they were, so was Loomis
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they agreed to these terms as part of the CBA
its been answered by another poster
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 6:58 pm to cashflippa
I do not think that Loomis was fined either 
Posted on 3/21/12 at 6:58 pm to Breesus
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yes they were, so was Loomis
link?
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:00 pm to TortiousTiger
Loomis was simply suspended without pay
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:02 pm to TortiousTiger
A suspension from work may not apply, but there is a contract here, he isn't some at-will hourly employee not getting hours to work.
The contract calls for payment to Payton, and I'm pretty sure the coaches get paid year round not a game-check type basis like players.
Maybe the contract would have some controlling language, but I don't think the simply act of saying suspension fixes it. Certainly, he could have been suspended with pay, so not sure saying it is not a fine is 100% correct
The contract calls for payment to Payton, and I'm pretty sure the coaches get paid year round not a game-check type basis like players.
Maybe the contract would have some controlling language, but I don't think the simply act of saying suspension fixes it. Certainly, he could have been suspended with pay, so not sure saying it is not a fine is 100% correct
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:05 pm to jacks40
I just want to know by what authority can the NFL suspend Payton. Seems like if would have to come from his employer, the Saints.
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:05 pm to jacks40
with the exception of guaranteed money, nfl players and coaches are essentially "at will" employees. Their contracts can be broken at any time.
i think coaches contracts are similar to players contracts, with scheduled disbursements and per game payments.
i think coaches contracts are similar to players contracts, with scheduled disbursements and per game payments.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:06 pm to 3HourTour
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Seems like if would have to come from his employer, the Saints.
obviously, be being a member of a league, the saints have granted the NFL that authority
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:07 pm to TortiousTiger
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with the exception of guaranteed money, nfl players and coaches are essentially "at will" employees. Their contracts can be broken at any time.
I do not believe this is correct. Coaches get paid for the remainder of their contracts after being fired all the time
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:09 pm to TortiousTiger
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with the exception of guaranteed money, nfl players and coaches are essentially "at will" employees. Their contracts can be broken at any time.
i think coaches contracts are similar to players contracts, with scheduled disbursements and per game payments.
I think coaches have term contracts.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:24 pm to jacks40
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Coaches get paid for the remainder of their contracts after being fired all the time
sure, if they have a buyout or it has the contract guaranteed.
thats the purpose of a buyout. if what youre saying is correct, buyouts wouldnt exist.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:29 pm to TortiousTiger
He isn't officially suspended until the beginning of April, correct? Couldn't the Saints suddenly rework his contract and give him a $7M bonus, before April? Or just give him a bonus anyways? I'm sure there are loopholes that exist.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:30 pm to TortiousTiger
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sure, if they have a buyout or it has the contract guaranteed.
Or if it's just a term contract. Even if you are right comparing it to players contracts, doesn't make them at-will employees.
They all have contracts, which locks them into working for their teams. Coaches and players can not just go work for teams. Player deals just have the stipulation to terminate the contract for skill.
Being able to end the contract, doesn't turn magically change the without pay into something other than a fine.
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:31 pm to NFLSaintsChris
They could, but why would you pay someone who is going to be sitting at home?
Posted on 3/21/12 at 7:31 pm to NFLSaintsChris
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He isn't officially suspended until the beginning of April, correct? Couldn't the Saints suddenly rework his contract and give him a $7M bonus, before April? Or just give him a bonus anyways? I'm sure there are loopholes that exist.
I'm sure they could, and I suggested it earlier, but doubt Benson does it.
Especially if he has to pay the money anyway to the NFL as a fine, and doesn't just pocket the money. Even if he does pocket the money, he might just see this as an extra $7 million for himself
Posted on 3/21/12 at 8:23 pm to jacks40
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Even if you are right comparing it to players contracts, doesn't make them at-will employees.
if they dont have a buyout or guaranteed money, they can be fired AT-WILL of the employer. call it what you want.
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Player deals just have the stipulation to terminate the contract for skill.
you just made that up.
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Being able to end the contract, doesn't turn magically change the without pay into something other than a fine.
you just made that up too.
if he's fired, he doesnt have to come up with the 7.5 million, right? right.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 8:34 pm to TortiousTiger
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if they dont have a buyout or guaranteed money, they can be fired AT-WILL of the employer. call it what you want.
That's not the legal definition of at-will
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you just made that up.
nope
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just made that up too.
if he's fired, he doesnt have to come up with the 7.5 million, right? right.
Who doesn't have to come up with 7.5? Benson? I'm assuming that if Benson fired Payton tommorrow, and did not want to pay him the remainder of the deal, he would attempt to justify it as "just cause" termination, providing that such a clause exists in the contract
Posted on 3/21/12 at 9:08 pm to jacks40
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That's not the legal definition of at-will
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with the exception of guaranteed money, nfl players and coaches are essentially "at will" employees.
contracts in the nfl arent worth the paper they're printed on without guaranteed money or buy-outs. the employee can be fired
AT.
WILL.
not performance, not cause... AT WILL.
now, if there is cause, that possibly can lead to invalidation of the guaranteed money or buyout.
to call this a "fine" of Payton is just stupid.
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