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re: Knowshon
Posted on 2/16/09 at 3:24 pm to LSUfan4444
Posted on 2/16/09 at 3:24 pm to LSUfan4444
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go back to the saints season in 06...when the saints can't run the ball they have had struggled severaly...this year is loaded in FA on the defensive side of the ball...take advantage of it.
Pierre Thomas had 4.8 ypa last year on 122 attempts.
That is very good. The problem isn't the running game in general its bad playcalling highlighted by important situations. People remember trying futilely to convert a 3rd down because Peyton gave the carry to Bush or called a sweep or reverse or some other absurd play.
We need a power back to convert those, but more than that we need the correct play calls in those situations.
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Posted on 2/16/09 at 3:30 pm to LSUtigahs28
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Pierre Thomas had 4.8 ypa last year on 122 attempts.
Yeah, I don't see how you can say "he's not a starter". The guy has done nothing but produce when given the chance (and has been excellent catching passes out of the backfield, big plus for the system), including the games where, you know, he started.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 3:34 pm to THRILLHO
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Posted on 2/16/09 at 4:07 pm to LSUtigahs28
no more offense..defense defense defense it win championships..saints are proven example of that.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 5:17 pm to bignate76
Taking Knowshon doesn't mean we dont need D. I'm just saying if the guy is there take him. Fix the D someother way.
Unlike Reggie this guy can play running back. SEC not PAC2
We will have Porter back and we can make due with Gay and Young
Unlike Reggie this guy can play running back. SEC not PAC2
We will have Porter back and we can make due with Gay and Young
Posted on 2/16/09 at 5:38 pm to LSUfan4444
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thomas isn't a starter
why not? he looks like a starter to me...
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The Saints need a back who can run inside well, but has enough versatility to catch alot of balls out of the backfield and move around the offensive side of the ball.
hmmm, sounds alot like thomas. most successful runner in the league among backs with 100 rushes, higher yards per catch than bush, td machine. what more do you want? with this guy playing like he has when starting, along with bush playing more slot and getting passes out of the backfield... what more can you want?
Posted on 2/16/09 at 5:43 pm to diat150
Jaydeaux = idiot
With what? Magic--- Because last time i checked with our cap we wont be able to make a huge splash in FA...and if we fix the D we are in the hunt to get to the Superbowl
So y wouldnt u address our biggest needs and problems?
and Running Backs arent high value-- offensive linemen make your Running game better
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Fix the D someother way
With what? Magic--- Because last time i checked with our cap we wont be able to make a huge splash in FA...and if we fix the D we are in the hunt to get to the Superbowl
So y wouldnt u address our biggest needs and problems?
and Running Backs arent high value-- offensive linemen make your Running game better
This post was edited on 2/16/09 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 2/16/09 at 5:52 pm to CM84
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Unlike Reggie this guy can play running back. SEC not PAC2
Another dumb statement-- If the player is talented it doesnt matter what conference he plays in. U watch players and judge them on their gamefilm.. Many analyst believed it would be tough for Bush to be an everydown RB
I guess Jonathan Stewart sucked this year because he was from the Pac 10 or DeAngelo Williams was terrible because he played at Memphis
Posted on 2/16/09 at 8:00 pm to LSUtigahs28
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Pierre Thomas had 4.8 ypa last year on 122 attempts.
That is very good
thats what backups do
good NFL backups play good in spurts, but fail to bring consistency...when they become consistant, they get deals to be a starter (micahel turner etc)
thomas is an adequate backup
you can twist stats to look how you want them to look. look at those stats a little closer and you'll see he had a total of ONE 100 yard game...thats not very good, its good numbers for a backup
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The problem isn't the running game in general its bad playcalling highlighted by important situations.
amazing how much better the playcalling was in 2006......when they had a running game
your skills on offense alot of the time will dictate the playcalls
moreno is a very good runner in between the tackles and his skills fit the payton scheme better than any back on the team
he is a tough inside runner, but also has the ability to take balls to the outside and catch the ball out of the backfield
This post was edited on 2/16/09 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 2/16/09 at 8:03 pm to THRILLHO
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I don't see how you can say "he's not a starter
dude has, what, 2 total 100 yard games?
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The guy has done nothing but produce when given the chance
what?
having games with 3 rushes for 18 yards pads the stats, but hardly shows he is a NFL starter
look at his stats from last year
16 games in 08
1- 10 for 52
2- 6 for 8
3- 6 for 15
4- 1 for 1
5- 0 for 0
6- 3 for 18
7- 1 for 2
8- 3 for 28
9- 6 for 26
10- 16 for 88
11- 15 for 87
12- 11 for 34
13- 16 for 102
14- 22 for 87
15- 13 for 77
16- 0 for 0
if you see anything there that says NFL starter then you must be happy with a mediocre (at best) running game
This post was edited on 2/16/09 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 2/16/09 at 8:04 pm to diat150
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he looks like a starter to me...
when? in one of his 2 career 100 yard games?
Posted on 2/16/09 at 8:05 pm to diat150
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what more can you want?
consistency
Posted on 2/16/09 at 8:09 pm to CM84
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With what? Magic--- Because last time i checked with our cap we wont be able to make a huge splash in FA
cap moves can and will be done, it is prety easy to go out and get guys on the defensive side of the ball through FA and plug them in as starters NOW
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y wouldnt u address our biggest needs and problems?
i don't think anyone is saying to ignore the defense, just address it in other ways (not with the first pick in the draft)
do you really think the saints can find the difference maker on the defensive side of the ball to come in and turn the defense around in his rookie year
Posted on 2/16/09 at 8:23 pm to LSUfan4444
all i am saying is wait and see how FA plays itself out
the idea of moreno may make more sense as draft day comes nearer and then when picks start to fall off the board
the only way it makes sense is if they can create more cap room to make moves through FA to adress needs immediately.....if not, then moreno makes no sense
the idea of moreno may make more sense as draft day comes nearer and then when picks start to fall off the board
the only way it makes sense is if they can create more cap room to make moves through FA to adress needs immediately.....if not, then moreno makes no sense
Posted on 2/16/09 at 8:26 pm to tiger band trumpet
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they really need defense, not offense, offense was #1 last year
Had we had a true tailback, we beat Washington, Denver and Tampa Bay...we make the playoffs and who knows? Our offense was great except for 3rd and short which cost us those 3 games!
Posted on 2/16/09 at 9:54 pm to LSUfan4444
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good NFL backups play good in spurts, but fail to bring consistency...
if you see anything there that says NFL starter then you must be happy with a mediocre (at best) running game
I see a lot in a starter, actually more as a starter than a backup. He averages 5.11ypc in games with 10 or more carries vs. 4ypc with fewer than 10.
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he had a total of ONE 100 yard game...thats not very good, its good numbers for a backup
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when they become consistant, they get deals to be a starter (micahel turner etc)
Come on, did you even look at Turner's stats before making this post? Turner had ONE 100 yard game and averaged 4.5ypc (to PTs 4.8) last year. He had 3 100 yard games in his 4 year career before joining the Falcons vs. two for PT in 2 years (excluding his 100 yard receiving game).
Posted on 2/16/09 at 11:49 pm to LSUfan4444
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you can twist stats to look how you want them to look. look at those stats a little closer
How am I twisting stats?
I'm looking at the ypa of a player with enough touches to reduce the factor of random chance and I see he has a competitive YPA.
That is one of the purest ways to evaluate a player I can think of. PT ranked 42nd in the league in touches its not as if he was getting as many touches as the third string backup RB. I never claimed he had as many carries as a full season starter like AD, but he got enough touches to make an assumption that he deserves more touches.
I would also like to point PT had the most carries of anyone on the team. Even if we draft a RB and give him all of Deuce's carries and giving him 20 of Reggie's carries he still only carries the ball the same amount as PT.
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he had a total of ONE 100 yard game...thats not very good, its good numbers for a backup
Can we agree that a back getting 4.5 ypa for a game is good production?
I'm going to assume yes since I think that's obvious.
If a RB got 4.5 ypa he would need to get 22.2(Repeating) carries for a 100 yard game.
Guess how many times PT got 23 or more carries?
You can't expect a guy to get starter numbers when he isn't getting starter touches.
PT got very good touches for a back up, he produced a ypa the same as Adrian Peterson and higher than multiple pro-bowlers. WHAT ELSE SHOULD HE DO TO EARN STARTER TOUCHES? This is why we look at things PA. If Colston were trotted out only when we needed 5 WRs would you be saying don't make him he starter he only had 2 90 yard games all season despite the fact he didn't get out there enough to put up the probowl type number he is capable of?
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amazing how much better the playcalling was in 2006......when they had a running game
How does us having a better running in 06 prove that inside carries to Bush(Who we agree isn't strong between the tackles) or sweeps to PT(or really anybody) isn't completely fricking stupid?
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your skills on offense alot of the time will dictate the playcalls
Uh, no shite? Which is why I question asking Bush to run it between the tackles on 3rd and 1.
I'm not denying that we need a bigger guy to convert 3rd and 1s like Deuce used to. That's something most people on the board agree with.
The point where you lose me is spending a 1st round draft pick on a situational player when Josh Bullocks, Roman Harper, and Scott Shanle are starting on your D.
Drafting Rashad Jennings or Shonn Greene in the 3rd would deal with that issue while leaving us free to pursue a full-time starter in the 1st round.
This post was edited on 2/16/09 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 2/16/09 at 11:54 pm to THRILLHO
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Come on, did you even look at Turner's stats before making this post? Turner had ONE 100 yard game and averaged 4.5ypc (to PTs 4.8) last year. He had 3 100 yard games in his 4 year career before joining the Falcons vs. two for PT in 2 years (excluding his 100 yard receiving game).
Behind a better OLine(Run blocking-wise at least)
As a little experiment I decided to look up the stats of Adrian Peterson, who is probably the best RB in the league.
Guess what I found out when Adrian Peterson was given less than 20 touches he went over 100 yards wait for it wait for it
ONCE.
That was the first week of the season.
Past that if he was given <20 touches he was <100 yards
PT was given more than 20 ONCE yet you expect him to shite out 100 yard games?
This post was edited on 2/17/09 at 12:02 am
Posted on 2/16/09 at 11:59 pm to LSUfan4444
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10- 16 for 88
11- 15 for 87
12- 11 for 34
13- 16 for 102
14- 22 for 87
15- 13 for 77
I'd take 5 of 6 of those games any Sunday and if you disagree you are a fool. We don't need the next Barry Sanders, we just need someone to give Drew a little less pressure. Pierre can do that.
Posted on 2/17/09 at 12:02 am to LSUfan4444
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cap moves can and will be done, it is prety easy to go out and get guys on the defensive side of the ball through FA and plug them in as starters NOW
Name some, please. We are struggling cap wise. I'd like your suggestions to get defensive upgrades that make sense financially.
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