- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Winter Olympics
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: The Brees fumble...
Posted on 1/8/12 at 6:04 pm to rondo
Posted on 1/8/12 at 6:04 pm to rondo
Not sure if this is stated in the Hoculi rule, in the situation of the ball coming out and the ref, thinking the ground caused the fumble, blows the whistle, the opposing team is allowed the recovery if it's immediate and/or clear that the whistle didn't prevent the offense from recovering. That's what I assumed happened last night. It was obvious that Detroit would have recovered the ball, but since the whistle blew, no advance. But that's the key: the recovery has to happen almost immediately and without the whistle affecting the play.
0
Posted on 1/8/12 at 6:06 pm to rondo
Who made initial call? Corrente as soon as ball came out, SJ blew whistle after hit ground. Since initial call was fumble, it takes precedence. Just as Denver call being incomplete it took precedent.
Read this I'm done arguing with people who don't know rules
Read this I'm done arguing with people who don't know rules
This post was edited on 1/8/12 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 1/8/12 at 8:27 pm to sms151t
Once the play was whistled dead, the play is over. Now, the Ref can call it a fumble, but shouldn't have ruled Lions ball. The reason for this is that the Lions didn't have possession before the whistle was blown. People can bring up the Ed Hoculi rule, but an inadvertant whistle is not reviewable. I will link both the replay rule and the possession rule.
Replay
This is from the Replay link:
Note: Non-reviewable plays include but are not limited to:
1. Status of the clock
2. Proper down
3. Penalty administration
4. Runner ruled down by defensive contact (not involving fumbles)
5. Forward progress not relating to first down or goal line
6. Recovery of a loose ball that does not involve a boundary line or the end zone.
7. Field-goal or Try attempts that cross above either upright without touching anything.
8. Inadvertent Whistle Possession
This is from the Possession link:
(n) when an official sounds his whistle while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately;
(i) If the ball is in player possession, the team in possession may elect to put the ball in play where it
has been declared dead or to replay the down.
(ii) If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team
last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to
replay the down.
(iii) If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a legal forward pass, a free kick, a fair-catch kick, or a
scrimmage kick, the ball is returned to the previous spot, and the down is replayed.
OFFICIAL NFL PLAYING RULES 35
(iv) If there is a foul by either team during any of the above, penalty enforcement is the same as for
fouls during a run, forward pass, kick, fumble, and backward pass.
A.R. 7.1 Second-and-goal on B2. Runner A1 goes to the line of scrimmage where he is tackled and fumbles. The ball
rolls into the end zone when the Referee inadvertently blows his whistle as the ball is loose in the end zone.
Defense then falls on the ball.
Ruling: A’s ball second-and-goal on B2 (inadvertent whistle).
A.R. 7.2 Second-and-10 on A30. Runner A2 fumbles a handoff from Quarterback A1 on the A25. The ball is on the A22
when the Referee inadvertently blows his whistle.
Ruling: A’s ball second-and-10 on A30 (replay).
A.R. 7.3 Second-and-five on A30. During a forward pass, while the ball is in the air, the line judge inadvertently blows
his whistle. Prior to the whistle Guard A1 held B1 on the A25.
Ruling: A’s ball second-and-15 on A20.
A.R. 7.4 A forward pass is intentionally touched by ineligible A1 beyond line. While the pass is still in flight, a whistle
sounds. The pass is incomplete.
Ruling: Replay down. Touch occurred after whistle.
All of this is from the NFL.com site.
Replay
This is from the Replay link:
Note: Non-reviewable plays include but are not limited to:
1. Status of the clock
2. Proper down
3. Penalty administration
4. Runner ruled down by defensive contact (not involving fumbles)
5. Forward progress not relating to first down or goal line
6. Recovery of a loose ball that does not involve a boundary line or the end zone.
7. Field-goal or Try attempts that cross above either upright without touching anything.
8. Inadvertent Whistle Possession
This is from the Possession link:
(n) when an official sounds his whistle while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately;
(i) If the ball is in player possession, the team in possession may elect to put the ball in play where it
has been declared dead or to replay the down.
(ii) If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team
last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to
replay the down.
(iii) If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a legal forward pass, a free kick, a fair-catch kick, or a
scrimmage kick, the ball is returned to the previous spot, and the down is replayed.
OFFICIAL NFL PLAYING RULES 35
(iv) If there is a foul by either team during any of the above, penalty enforcement is the same as for
fouls during a run, forward pass, kick, fumble, and backward pass.
A.R. 7.1 Second-and-goal on B2. Runner A1 goes to the line of scrimmage where he is tackled and fumbles. The ball
rolls into the end zone when the Referee inadvertently blows his whistle as the ball is loose in the end zone.
Defense then falls on the ball.
Ruling: A’s ball second-and-goal on B2 (inadvertent whistle).
A.R. 7.2 Second-and-10 on A30. Runner A2 fumbles a handoff from Quarterback A1 on the A25. The ball is on the A22
when the Referee inadvertently blows his whistle.
Ruling: A’s ball second-and-10 on A30 (replay).
A.R. 7.3 Second-and-five on A30. During a forward pass, while the ball is in the air, the line judge inadvertently blows
his whistle. Prior to the whistle Guard A1 held B1 on the A25.
Ruling: A’s ball second-and-15 on A20.
A.R. 7.4 A forward pass is intentionally touched by ineligible A1 beyond line. While the pass is still in flight, a whistle
sounds. The pass is incomplete.
Ruling: Replay down. Touch occurred after whistle.
All of this is from the NFL.com site.
Page 3 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News