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Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:32 am to Funky Tide 8
I go there a lot. Looked for some news on it. Didn't find anything.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:33 am to Puck82
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n 2012, Salamoni was cautioned for damaging department equipment in an incident unrelated to use of force. The caution was part of Salamoni's disciplinary history, which is public record since he is a police officer for city government. In August 2015, Salamoni was involved in a "physical altercation" while trying to arrest a person. Salamoni reported the person he was trying to apprehend tried to take his taser. That person then needed stitches to close a head injury. In that situation, Police Chief Carl Dabadie decided the complaint was not sustained, so there was no disciplinary action.
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Lake has two use of force incidents - including the December 2014 shooting of Kevin Knight. Knight survived the shooting and was arrested. Lake was cleared of any wrongdoing in both.
That's interesting.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:33 am to BabyrayS2k
Have any serious riots actually taken place?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:34 am to Chad504boy
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Is it known if both officers fired their weapons into sterling or was it just one?
As many times as I've seen the video, it appears just Officer Lake was on the side, fired, Salamoni on top--doesn't appear to fire...?
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 11:35 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:35 am to Funky Tide 8
Six officers were a part of Lake's incident. It wasn't just him.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:36 am to Hickok
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why didn't the cops have the guns drawn when the saw him instead of tackling him
Cops don't automatically come out guns drawn unless there is an immediate threat in the area. A complaint of a man brandishing a weapon is not an immediate threat unless the weapon is still being brandished when they arrive. Therefore, gun in the pocket of the suspect = gun in holster of police. Now if the situation escalates, the cops may draw down on a suspect.
Until we see video of the initial contact with the suspect, we will not know what actually occurred.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:36 am to LaBR4
That's the way I believe it happened but could be wrong. Lake fires and Salamoni is thrown off of Alton.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:40 am to Puck82
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That's the way I believe it happened but could be wrong. Lake fires and Salamoni is thrown off of Alton.
Same here.
So if this is the case, the biggest thing Salamoni is up against is "excessive physical force" something termed like that. Where, Lake is the only one facing real criminal serious charges.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:41 am to Puck82
fricking ESPN Sportscenter is talking about this and said Sterling was killed for selling CDs. Jesus Christ. Now they bring in a black ESPN writer from Wimbledon to discuss his pain. Ffs
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:44 am to hg
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fricking ESPN Sportscenter is talking about this and said Sterling was killed for selling CDs
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:45 am to hg
idk man, I think we all need to hear Jemele Hill and Jim Rome's opinion on how the police should do their job
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:46 am to LaBR4
The Facts
In the second (more clear) video, it shows Howie on top, saying don't move. You hear Salamoni scream "Gun, gun, he's got a gun". At this point, Howie unholsters his service weapon, points it at Sterling's shoulder and clearly says "Don't move. I swear to God don't move". He continues to struggle, and you can see his right elbow move back and forth, as if he's trying to get into his pocket (where the pistol was found). You hear two shots (most likely from Howie, as Salamoni clearly had both hands full), then the camera moves away. You then hear "Get on the ground, get on the ground", followed by 4 more shots, and then the camera pans back and you see Salamoni on his side with service weapon drawn and Sterling bleeding out from multiple gunshot wounds.
My Theory
When the camera pans away, Howie was thrown off, as was Salamoni. Sterling gets up over top of Salamoni (when you hear "get on the ground"), and may have reached another time for his pocket while standing (only explanation as to how he received gunshots to his back, as all of the video shows him on his back before and after the camera points away). At this point, Salamoni fires 4 rounds which ultimately takes down Sterling (as is assumed because Salamoni was on his side, weapon drawn).
Messy at best, but until security camera footage, traffic cam footage, etc. is released, we'll never know what happened when the cameras moved away from the altercation.
ETA: Howie has been cleared of anything regarding the shooting. Tests came back, no GSR and service weapon was never fired. Still an unfortunate situation since his reputation has been smeared, but I guess that's part of the job?
In the second (more clear) video, it shows Howie on top, saying don't move. You hear Salamoni scream "Gun, gun, he's got a gun". At this point, Howie unholsters his service weapon, points it at Sterling's shoulder and clearly says "Don't move. I swear to God don't move". He continues to struggle, and you can see his right elbow move back and forth, as if he's trying to get into his pocket (where the pistol was found). You hear two shots (most likely from Howie, as Salamoni clearly had both hands full), then the camera moves away. You then hear "Get on the ground, get on the ground", followed by 4 more shots, and then the camera pans back and you see Salamoni on his side with service weapon drawn and Sterling bleeding out from multiple gunshot wounds.
My Theory
When the camera pans away, Howie was thrown off, as was Salamoni. Sterling gets up over top of Salamoni (when you hear "get on the ground"), and may have reached another time for his pocket while standing (only explanation as to how he received gunshots to his back, as all of the video shows him on his back before and after the camera points away). At this point, Salamoni fires 4 rounds which ultimately takes down Sterling (as is assumed because Salamoni was on his side, weapon drawn).
Messy at best, but until security camera footage, traffic cam footage, etc. is released, we'll never know what happened when the cameras moved away from the altercation.
ETA: Howie has been cleared of anything regarding the shooting. Tests came back, no GSR and service weapon was never fired. Still an unfortunate situation since his reputation has been smeared, but I guess that's part of the job?
This post was edited on 7/8/16 at 8:40 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:47 am to Brageous
Lets look at Chris Paul's Twitter and see the hashtags and Alton Sterling picture he posted. My heart weeps
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:51 am to Puck82
I know Lake. Not surprised.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:52 am to TexasTiger90
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My Theory When the camera pans away, Howie was thrown off, as was Salamoni. Sterling gets up over top of Salamoni (when you hear "get on the ground"), and may have reached another time for his pocket while standing (only explanation as to how he received gunshots to his back, as all of the video shows him on his back before and after the camera points away). At this point, Salamoni fires 4 rounds which ultimately takes down Sterling (as is assumed because Salamoni was on his side, weapon drawn). Messy at best, but until security camera footage, traffic cam footage, etc. is released, we'll never know what happened when the cameras moved away from the altercation.
I can see that, too. Like you said, tough to tell. I'd be interested to know if Salamoni fired any of those shots for sure.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:52 am to TexasTiger90
My biggest problem with the actions of the police was tackling the guy when he had both hands up. It just seemed unnecessary, and an overall stupid move.
Why would you attempt to tackle that big dude that you are half the size of, especially if you think that he has a gun in his pocket? There is no advantage for the cop in doing that.
Why would you attempt to tackle that big dude that you are half the size of, especially if you think that he has a gun in his pocket? There is no advantage for the cop in doing that.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:54 am to crkelly91
I just read this transcript from a reddit user. I know... reddit... Still find it interesting.
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Transcript after they pin him to the ground:
Officer 1: He's going for his pocket. He's got a gun! Gun!
At this point both officers draw their firearms. Officer 1 (the one in back) points his firearm at the suspect's chest and Officer 2 points his firearm at the suspect's head.
Officer 2: Hands off! (?) You fricking move and I swear to God.
Officer 1: He's going for the gun!
Officer 1 shoots suspect twice in the chest.
Edit: Made more accurate. The bad AV quality makes picking up these details harder. Also, there are two shots from officer 1's gun initially and a few seconds later three more gunshots are heard. It's not clear visually which officer fired these shots.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:54 am to hg
I'm sure this has been addressed, but I'm not going to sift through 150+ pages of conversation.
1.) Alton Sterlin was a convicted felon out on parole, correct?
2.) I am under the impression that once you are a convicted felon, you forfeit your right to possess and own any type of firearm, correct?
1.) Alton Sterlin was a convicted felon out on parole, correct?
2.) I am under the impression that once you are a convicted felon, you forfeit your right to possess and own any type of firearm, correct?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:55 am to Funky Tide 8
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My biggest problem with the actions of the police was tackling the guy when he had both hands up. It just seemed unnecessary, and an overall stupid move.
I'm sure his size imitated them. They should have made him either get on his knees execution style and cuff him or have him sit on the curb with his hands behind his back and cuff him.
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