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re: Anyone else had to deal with back issues? (bulging/herniated discs)
Posted on 2/1/14 at 12:20 pm to fr33manator
Posted on 2/1/14 at 12:20 pm to fr33manator
I know I'm late on this thread but here goes:
are your discs herniated or just bulging due to deterioration? Lots of people have deteriorated discs and no back pain. Also, most back pain clears up without doing anything.
My back pain has a mental component (stress) and physical one (sitting wrong, certain activities). The book "Mind over back pain" by Sarno really worked for me.
Epidural steroid injections work for me. My last one was 8 years ago. I also has luck with the electro-stim patch thing. And a guy in Australia McKenzie developed a set of exercises that do help. If you do PT find someone certified in it.
DON'T GET SURGERY unless you can't walk. If you do get surgery, find a practice that deals with super hard-core long-term back problems. I found one in Tallahassee. And get the smallest surgery you can, like a laminectomy.
You do have long term disability, right? Everyone should have this. No, it's not your full paycheck but it should keep you out of the poor house.
are your discs herniated or just bulging due to deterioration? Lots of people have deteriorated discs and no back pain. Also, most back pain clears up without doing anything.
My back pain has a mental component (stress) and physical one (sitting wrong, certain activities). The book "Mind over back pain" by Sarno really worked for me.
Epidural steroid injections work for me. My last one was 8 years ago. I also has luck with the electro-stim patch thing. And a guy in Australia McKenzie developed a set of exercises that do help. If you do PT find someone certified in it.
DON'T GET SURGERY unless you can't walk. If you do get surgery, find a practice that deals with super hard-core long-term back problems. I found one in Tallahassee. And get the smallest surgery you can, like a laminectomy.
You do have long term disability, right? Everyone should have this. No, it's not your full paycheck but it should keep you out of the poor house.
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Posted on 2/1/14 at 12:46 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Know I'm late to this thread as well. I'm a practicing PT in NOLA with a few post-doctoral spine certifications, and we deal with a LOT of spinal issues at my office after motor vehicle accidents. Obviously biased because I'm in the business, but ALWAYS try conservative measures (therapy, injections, even dry needling) before surgery. Surgery should be your last resort, and ANY reputable neurosurgeon will tell you that, be wary of those who are in a hurry to cut without exploring less invasive options.
I read a research paper once that said as many as 85% of adults over 25 have a disc abnormality. Whether it is a bulge, herniation, sequestration, or extrusion (varying degrees of severity), most will calm down with proper treatment and time. You are in the very acute stages right now, and the annular tissue that surrounds your disc is likely very inflamed and irritated. I know it's not the answer you want right now, but many of these injuries need time and conservative treatment, and while the disc(s) may or may not go back to the way they were before your accident, most of us are walking around with a few abnormal discs that are not symptomatic.
I know it sounds out there/quackish to say it has a mental component, but there is some research that ties stress levels and anxiety to some actual tangible changes in the central nervous system. Extremely tough for you right now, but try to maintain a positive outlook and stay the course.
I read a research paper once that said as many as 85% of adults over 25 have a disc abnormality. Whether it is a bulge, herniation, sequestration, or extrusion (varying degrees of severity), most will calm down with proper treatment and time. You are in the very acute stages right now, and the annular tissue that surrounds your disc is likely very inflamed and irritated. I know it's not the answer you want right now, but many of these injuries need time and conservative treatment, and while the disc(s) may or may not go back to the way they were before your accident, most of us are walking around with a few abnormal discs that are not symptomatic.
I know it sounds out there/quackish to say it has a mental component, but there is some research that ties stress levels and anxiety to some actual tangible changes in the central nervous system. Extremely tough for you right now, but try to maintain a positive outlook and stay the course.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 1:04 pm to fr33manator
I've been dealing with lower back issues for years.
I got one of those shots,actually 6 shots,January 9th.
My Sciatic Nerve has been going off starting the 10th and hurting pretty bad in my foot ankle calf area still.
No more shots for me.
My whole Lumbar section me spine is bulged.
At a Gym here a girl has a class for people with messed up back.Kind of a cross between Yoga,Pallates,and stretching.Imphasizes Core Strenth.Trying to get your spine and hips and such line.
I got one of those shots,actually 6 shots,January 9th.
My Sciatic Nerve has been going off starting the 10th and hurting pretty bad in my foot ankle calf area still.
No more shots for me.
My whole Lumbar section me spine is bulged.
At a Gym here a girl has a class for people with messed up back.Kind of a cross between Yoga,Pallates,and stretching.Imphasizes Core Strenth.Trying to get your spine and hips and such line.
This post was edited on 2/1/14 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 2/1/14 at 1:18 pm to fr33manator
Stretching is the best thing that helps me. I do a couple of yoga stretches and it helps when I'm hurting real bad then take an Advil and a norco.
Right now like the other op stated your tissue around the disc is so inflamed right now there's nothing but rest and stretching that will make it better.
Right now like the other op stated your tissue around the disc is so inflamed right now there's nothing but rest and stretching that will make it better.
This post was edited on 2/1/14 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 2/1/14 at 1:21 pm to fr33manator
I had an epidural steroid shot for a bulging disc and it didn't help much. I am not sure how they would go about administering one for bulging discs in so many different areas.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 1:22 pm to swampdawg
Multiple shots.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 1:24 pm to fr33manator
Ruined my life bro. Took a way a good paying career and caused two surgeries just to be able to walk. Then the bad stuff happened like severe opiate addiction that is more crippling than I care to imagine.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 1:34 pm to CaptainsWafer
Strengthening the core and back has helped me a lot. Also keeping the hamstrings stretched out helps. You would be amazed how much tight hamstrings pull on the spine.
I know it's too early for fr33 at this point but I honestly think doing squats and deadlifts helps me.
I know it's too early for fr33 at this point but I honestly think doing squats and deadlifts helps me.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 2:38 pm to swampdawg
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doing squats
Is by and far the worst thing I can do for mine. My problems stem from a squatting accident/injury. I cannot do squats anymore; they hurt way too much and cause way too much soreness that isn't from regular-old tired muscles.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 2:48 pm to Hopeful Doc
Yeah it's prolly more the deadlifts.
Doing very light good mornings helps too.
Doing very light good mornings helps too.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 2:53 pm to fr33manator
I feel your pain man
I have a L5 S1 herniation and it sucks. The disc is so compressed that it's directly pressing on my nerve, causing severe shooting pain down my left leg.
I tried an epidural but that did jack shite. Sadly, the Novocain injected before the epidural gave me more relief than the actual injection.
Currently doing PT as we speak, but may need surgery. Anti-inflammatory drugs do nothing for me.
I tried flexeril, vicodin and percoset. The vicodin masks the pain, but I take it sparingly as to not get hooked.
Good luck.
I have a L5 S1 herniation and it sucks. The disc is so compressed that it's directly pressing on my nerve, causing severe shooting pain down my left leg.
I tried an epidural but that did jack shite. Sadly, the Novocain injected before the epidural gave me more relief than the actual injection.
Currently doing PT as we speak, but may need surgery. Anti-inflammatory drugs do nothing for me.
I tried flexeril, vicodin and percoset. The vicodin masks the pain, but I take it sparingly as to not get hooked.
Good luck.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 2:55 pm to tidalmouse
quote:
My Sciatic Nerve has been going off starting the 10th and hurting pretty bad in my foot ankle calf area still.
same here. shite sucks.
I have zero relief whether sleeping, sitting or standing. Obviously worse sitting because your lower back/spine compresses, which puts more pressure on the nerve.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 2:58 pm to fr33manator
Had a couple of fused disc. Once you start having problems it never gets better. Over the years it's hurts more and more. Get a good Dr.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 4:14 pm to swampdawg
quote:
I had an epidural steroid shot for a bulging disc and it didn't help much. I am not sure how they would go about administering one for bulging discs in so many different areas.
Pick the one that is the worst and do it, followed by the others at a later date.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 4:17 pm to fr33manator
As soon as you are able do squats and deadlifts as heavy as you can with good foe.. I have had an l5-s1 for about 9 years now and those have been the best treatment. Strengthen everything around it.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 4:28 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:
As soon as you are able do squats and deadlifts as heavy as you can with good foe.. I have had an l5-s1 for about 9 years now and those have been the best treatment. Strengthen everything around it.
...unless you have a fusion, in which case any sane physician is going to recommend that you steer clear of any axial movement lifts for quite a while after surgery.
Also, to the person who said they'd rather cervical issues than lumbar issues: Perhaps in your case that has been the experience, but it goes against the typical grain that lumbar issues are usually faster to treat/heal than are cervical problems.
Truth be told, herniations/bulges are a different sort of pain on their own. Had I only suffered the local discomfort of my recurring herniations, I would've been fine & probably dealt with the problem a lot differently. It's when that herniation/bulge leads to a serious impingement of the nerve that things get terribly complicated & uncomfortable.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 7:12 pm to fr33manator
Hope you are able to find some relief man. If possible I would try to do light exercise (walking, elliptical, etc). It is better to keep the muscles moving than for them to just sit. Maybe try some supermans if it doesn't hurt too much.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 7:14 pm to swampdawg
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Maybe try some supermans if it doesn't hurt too much.
that's where you cum on her neck and throw the sheet on her so it sticks to her like a cape, right?
Posted on 2/1/14 at 7:20 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Lose weight
Honestly Fr33 this will help you as much as anything you can do. Its probably hard to be active with a bad back but if you dropped 100lbs it would help take A TON of stress off of your back!
Posted on 2/1/14 at 7:21 pm to lsu480
If I dropped another 100 lbs I'd be a twig. But I am definitely going to try to lose some more.
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