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re: Atlanta school ditches Pledge....
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:11 pm to Klark Kent
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:11 pm to Klark Kent
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It’s a hypothetical situation, so what do you think baw....
I'm not sure since you left out the option of not reciting a pledge at all.
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:12 pm to Harry Caray
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There's a bit of a difference between memorizing mathematical facts and unconditionally pledging yourself to an arbitrary entity that you belong to only by chance.
Look I understood your point of view from your very first posts. You think the Pledge of Allegiance is "weird" and you say what the school is doing is the "lack of indoctrination" even though they are removing the pledge and replacing it with some other new pledge to the global society. You apparently see this as the "lack of indoctrination" when in reality it's switching one type for another. When I was in school the pledge was taught as a love of country thing. I guess that's not cool in school anymore.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:13 pm to Harry Caray
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There's a bit of a difference between memorizing mathematical facts and unconditionally pledging yourself to an arbitrary entity that you belong to only by chance.
So those legal immigrants, who risk their lives and limbs in many cases, yet still manage to follow the laws, just randomly belong here after Pledging Allegiance in the Citizenship Ceremony?
People make the choice to become Pledged citizens everyday and are VERY proud to even have the chance to do so.
As stated previously, the kids are not forced to participate by law.
And as far "arbitrary entity" multiple generations of my family and millions of others gave their life and limb to establish this nation, it is hardly an arbitrary entity. This nation is a hard fought and won entity. The entity of this nation obviously continues to need defending, from within as much as without.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:14 pm to northshorebamaman
Guess I should’ve notified you before I created a hypothetical situation to further discussion in this thread
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:15 pm to PearlJam
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since Global Society is an open foe of the USA.
There are hundreds of allies and trade partners that indicate otherwise.
go ahead and pledge to the global society including Turkey, Russia, China, North Korea, Iran...Global is global, not global except this island here, that desert there, this mountain but not that plain...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:16 pm to Klark Kent
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Guess I should’ve notified you before I created a hypothetical situation to further discussion in this thread
Not sure why you're being a dick about it. I just asked you to clarify your hypothetical so I could give you an answer.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:16 pm to Sidicous
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This post was edited on 10/21/20 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:17 pm to Parmen
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Parmen
I wish someone would defund your internet connection.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:18 pm to northshorebamaman
Fine. That’s what I’m getting at, is said Johnny allowed to not say the pledge at all or kneel or not recite the pledge to this new “school family, community, country and our global society” pledge, as he is THE Pledge of Allegience now
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:21 pm to Klark Kent
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Fine. That’s what I’m getting at, is said Johnny allowed to not say the pledge at all or kneel or not recite the pledge to this new “school family, community, country and our global society” pledge
IDK what this school will do but they should called out and forced to explain themselves if they make the alternative pledge compulsory.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:22 pm to Sidicous
quote:I understood that the pledge would focus on their civic responsibility in a variety of things, including the global society. There was no mention of pledging allegiance to other countries.
go ahead and pledge to the global society including Turkey, Russia, China, North Korea, Iran...Global is global, not global except this island here, that desert there, this mountain but not that plain...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:24 pm to elposter
quote:I can also read the part where it said the teachers will work with the students to make a new school pledge. That is not teaching kids to unconditionally accept a set of beliefs, it's asking what their beliefs are in the first place. So yes, it's a lack of indoctrination.
You think the Pledge of Allegiance is "weird" and you say what the school is doing is the "lack of indoctrination" even though they are removing the pledge and replacing it with some other new pledge to the global society. You apparently see this as the "lack of indoctrination" when in reality it's switching one type for another.
quote:And when I was in school our president didn't tweet stupid shite in all caps after midnight, but shite changes.
When I was in school the pledge was taught as a love of country thing. I guess that's not cool in school anymore.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:24 pm to mindbreaker
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I wish someone would defund your internet connection.
Classic lib prog filth position to censor dissenting views. Also unlike you, my internet cannot be defunded because I work for living and pay my own. You must be speaking from your own experience of living on public assistance.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:24 pm to northshorebamaman
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meant, since he was making the same point, that we agree.
That's great.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:29 pm to Parmen
quote:Pretty sure he was just making a funny, gramps
Also unlike you, my internet cannot be defunded because I work for living and pay my own. You must be speaking from your own experience of living on public assistance.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:30 pm to Harry Caray
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I can also read the part where it said the teachers will work with the students to make a new school pledge. That is not teaching kids to unconditionally accept a set of beliefs, it's asking what their beliefs are in the first place. So yes, it's a lack of indoctrination.
You are really naive if you don't think this school admin wants to indoctrinate the hell out of these students - just in a different way. It's just in a way that seems to align more with your worldview so you don't see it or, better put, you don't mind it. At least it's not the "weird" Pledge of Allegiance, right? quote:
And when I was in school our president didn't tweet stupid shite in all caps after midnight, but shite changes.
A bit non sequitur, but definitely revealing. I definitely get where you are coming from now.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:34 pm to Parmen
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Classic lib prog filth position to censor dissenting views
You don't know anything about me. I'm an alpha whiskey drinking baw that would bang your old lady and make her realize how much of a beta boy you are. Then i'd set up shop in your house after the divorce and have her bring me another whiskey on the rocks while watching the saints play. Come at me bro I'll shoot you the address of the sonic nearest my house.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:38 pm to YungFO
bad case of the butt hurt
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:41 pm to elposter
quote:Honestly it's probably a ton more about appeasing the parents who complain about the pledge than anything, but believe what you want to.
You are really naive if you don't think this school admin wants to indoctrinate the hell out of these students - just in a different way
The pledge itself doesn't bother me, I've just always felt it was weird as a kid to say it every day. And yes by definition it is a form of indoctrination.
I'm not someone who would ever go out of his way to get rid of or change the pledge, but I see no reason to be outraged at its dismissal.
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