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re: Can you teach a child morality without religion?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:55 pm to LandPhil
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:55 pm to LandPhil
It's an intruiging question and not as simple as some people would make it.
For some people, those who accept a societal pact, having rules for conduct, or morality, is enough.
Some other people, though, put themselves first in every situation, and there is no pact. Life is short. They do what brings them pleasure and then they die. Sometimes that's just winning every interaction. Sometimes it's theft, rape and plunder, and sometimes it's torture and murder.
Some of the second type of person can be made to conform to the pact if they can be convinced that there is an omnipotent judge that watches their every move.
For some people, those who accept a societal pact, having rules for conduct, or morality, is enough.
Some other people, though, put themselves first in every situation, and there is no pact. Life is short. They do what brings them pleasure and then they die. Sometimes that's just winning every interaction. Sometimes it's theft, rape and plunder, and sometimes it's torture and murder.
Some of the second type of person can be made to conform to the pact if they can be convinced that there is an omnipotent judge that watches their every move.
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Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:59 pm to LandPhil
People would be so much better off if they realized that taking different paths isn't a bad think. If it works for you, it's a good thing, but that doesn't mean it works for everyone
Posted on 10/31/18 at 4:01 pm to Salmon
Salmon, you said
And that is an honest answer from the atheistic worldview, which frankly, most people wouldn't be honest enough with themselves to admit.
Are you retracting your statement?
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Hitler wasn't necessarily wrong
And that is an honest answer from the atheistic worldview, which frankly, most people wouldn't be honest enough with themselves to admit.
Are you retracting your statement?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 4:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If it works for you, it's a good thing, but that doesn't mean it works for everyone
How would that apply to a pedophile who pursues children? What if they don't hurt any children in pursuing their fantasy... they just engage in mental fantasy... is that wrong? It works for them right?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 4:08 pm to LandPhil
OP, check out Jeff Durbin to find out how wrong you are. There's no reason for morality without Christianity.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 4:13 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
I've heard the argument made that without God, there is no standard for morality. Whether or not you believe in God, it's pretty obviously true.
Society sets the standards for morality. Many societies throughout history (and some today) have accepted things what we find disgusting. The inverse is also true. Many societies throughout history (and some today) would and do find our morals disgusting.
The curious thing is that with God, there is still no standard for morality. If you compare Christian sects the rules are slightly different, and very different from major religion to major religion.
In the end, we are all teaching our children whatever morality we have settled on, whether religion-based or not.
Society sets the standards for morality. Many societies throughout history (and some today) have accepted things what we find disgusting. The inverse is also true. Many societies throughout history (and some today) would and do find our morals disgusting.
The curious thing is that with God, there is still no standard for morality. If you compare Christian sects the rules are slightly different, and very different from major religion to major religion.
In the end, we are all teaching our children whatever morality we have settled on, whether religion-based or not.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 4:15 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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Some other people, though, put themselves first in every situation, and there is no pact. Life is short.
Are some of these people the ones who just weren't taught the benefits for having rules of conduct?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 4:45 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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The curious thing is that with God, there is still no standard for morality. If you compare Christian sects the rules are slightly different, and very different from major religion to major religion.
Variations in standards between different faith's or sects doesn't invalidate that absolute morality comes from a higher power.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 4:57 pm to Jon Ham
Your logic is sound, but your premise is flawed.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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People would be so much better off if they realized that taking different paths isn't a bad think. If it works for you, it's a good thing, but that doesn't mean it works for everyone
Conditioned groupthink propaganda has made it very difficult for many Americans to step outside their limited box and see the big picture of things. People are way too conformist today. Primarily in their thinking habits.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:19 pm to LandPhil
Someday, when I grow up and have kids, I'll teach them that fricking little boys and then systemically covering it up is not necessarily the most moral thing one can do.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:23 pm to Salmon
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I don't see society, as the rules that have been set forth currently, going down that path any time soon
Exactly. So society is just following a different “religion”.
Religion can be boiled down to a general set or principles or rules a group of people believe in.
An atheist father teaching his son a set of moral principles is no different. Let’s say one day him an his atheist friends get together and decide to write down all the morals they teach their children.
Maybe that book gets passed down a couple generations. Wham! You have a new religion. Religion doesn’t have to involve angles, heaven, hell, etc. it’s a set of beliefs. Therefore the OP isn’t asking the question he thinks he is asking.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:24 pm to Salmon
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Morality isn't absolute.
Then how do you classify it? And how can you argue against someone who says killing all humans to avoid any future suffering is the most moral action?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:00 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I was just reading 21 Lessons for the 21st Century and came across this:
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:00 pm to LandPhil
Of course
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:06 pm to colorchangintiger
Did you interpret my point as being specifically limited to Abrahamic religions?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:06 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Then how do you classify it? And how can you argue against someone who says killing all humans to avoid any future suffering is the most moral action?
It’s classified by the group in power to enforce it. Hitler lost, society has labeled him a freakin psychopath.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:12 pm to LandPhil
Go ahead and teach us as if we were 8 yrs old.
And compare to as if god were watching. What's different in msgs?
And compare to as if god were watching. What's different in msgs?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:17 pm to Y.A. Tittle
No, but I thought the animal examples were interesting.
Also the Australian aborigines
Also the Australian aborigines
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:19 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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. That won't play well on Judgement Day.
Best sequel ever!
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