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re: Civil War time travel question/debate
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:53 am to LasVegasTiger
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:53 am to LasVegasTiger
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I said they would.
absolutely ridiculous perspective considering the numbers and adaptations of soldiers
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:54 am to 911Moto
Another great alternate history series is Eric Flint's "1632" series. A small town from West Virginia ends up in Europe in 1632 in the midst of the Thirty Years' War. They have a few modern weapons, including a sniper rifle and a teenage girl who is an Olympic-caliber shooter. They have the means to manufacture guns at the level of like 19th century stuff, which is still way more advanced than what they have in 1632 obviously. In one of the sequels, they build a Navy of Civil War-era ironclads. Awesome series.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:55 am to Azranod
I understand and completely agree and the Navy SEALs are some bad motherfrickers and completely outclass any soldiers in the Union or Confederate armies. But I don't understand how 100 Navy SEALs are going to bring an entire army to their knees with just rifles and no mechanized vehicles.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:55 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Have you?
have you seen how civil war battles were fought?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:55 am to Topwater Trout
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this is how i am thinking. I also think they would have night vision goggles, gilly suits, sniper rifles...etc. Taking out the officers, leaving troops leaderless is a big deal in war.
The naysayers also aren't taking into account that the civil war soldiers would see they are at a distinct disadvantage, except in numbers, and it could could possibly change their whole outlook on fighting...its one thing going up against an army/soldier that is similarly armed as you are but when you are being shot at night from who knows where could be very taxing mentally.
This is still not taking into account the flexibility of the Civil War formations. It was quite common for officers to fall in the opening moments of battle.
It also ignores the amount and accuracy of fire that can be put down by tens of thousands of men armed with rifled muskets and cannons.
And speaking of cannons, it also ignores the fact the SEALS would have no answer to artillery, much of which would be sited well out of range of any of their infantry weapons (including sniper rifles which BTW, the Civil War soldiers would not be unfamiliar with). There would be hundreds of cannons sitting behind hills out of range of all the SEAL weapons. The SEALS would have no answer to this artillery fire other than surrender.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:57 am to Darth_Vader
There was a 20 minute span in that battle the could have made the entire outcome of the war and country different. That just blows my mind! There aren't many times in history you can pinpoint something like that.
I can not believe Jeb Stuart was not court marshaled. A thread on just Gettysburg could go on for quite a while.
I can not believe Jeb Stuart was not court marshaled. A thread on just Gettysburg could go on for quite a while.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 11:59 am to boom roasted
Infiltrate, assimilate, disable the canons. The SEALs get it done in time, not in a frontal assault. SEALs win.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:00 pm to LasVegasTiger
You must have read the book, "Guns Of The South" by Harry Turtledove. I read it several years ago.
I see it has already been mentioned on page 8 by 911Moto.
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Don't know if it has been mentioned already, but there is an awesome book by Harry Turtledove called "Guns of the South." An organization with the means to travel back in time supplies the South with AK-47s. It's alternate history Civil War fiction, and it's one of my favorite books - a very fun read, though things don't always work out like you'd expect.
I see it has already been mentioned on page 8 by 911Moto.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:01 pm to Azranod
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Infiltrate, assimilate, disable the canons. The SEALs get it done in time, not in a frontal assault. SEALs win.
1,000 SEALS are going to infiltrate a force of tens of thousands and destroy close to 300 cannons without anyone noticing or stopping them? Come on, this is not CoD or Battlefield 4.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:03 pm to boom roasted
quote:
Have you?
re-enactments...they look like sitting targets (manequins) to me
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:03 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:I don't know what else to say to this fella.
100 SEALS are going to infiltrate a force of tens of thousands and destroy close to 300 cannons without anyone noticing or stopping them? Come on, this is not CoD or Battlefield 4.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:03 pm to Topwater Trout
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re-enactments...they look like sitting targets (manequins) to me
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:04 pm to HempHead
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This may have been said already, but have you been reading some Harry Turtledove?
I had not until this thread. I just always think of stupid shite like this.
The books sound right up my ally though. I will check them out for sure.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:05 pm to Darth_Vader
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artillery,
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cannons
serious question...how effective were they?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:05 pm to Darth_Vader
Wouldn't the seals have a huge advantage of knowing when and where each battle would take place, also the outcome of each battle?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:05 pm to Scream4LSU
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There was a 20 minute span in that battle the could have made the entire outcome of the war and country different. That just blows my mind! There aren't many times in history you can pinpoint something like that.
I can not believe Jeb Stuart was not court marshaled. A thread on just Gettysburg could go on for quite a while.
Very true. There was about a 10 - 15 minute window where literally the independence was there for the taking. All Lee had to do was send something, hell anything through that gap before the Union could seal it off. Had the approaching Union regiments moving to fill that gap seen regiment after regiment of Confederate Calvary pouring through their lines at full gallop, the Army of the Potomac would have melted like butter on a hot stove. Philadelphia would be open to sacking and Washington itself would be vulnerable (although it still had pretty substantial defenses in the area around it). Bottom line would be the South dictating terms to the North to end the war in favor of a free and independent Confederacy.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:07 pm to LasVegasTiger
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I had not until this thread. I just always think of stupid shite like this.
The books sound right up my ally though. I will check them out for sure.
I highly recommend this one....
LINK
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:07 pm to Topwater Trout
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re-enactments...they look like sitting targets (manequins) to me
I went to one in Clinton yesterday and this led to later drinking and debating this topic.
It was actually a pretty decent re-enactment too.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:07 pm to Topwater Trout
Don't let those fool you. Like I said early there was a huge part of both sides tactics that you see today in the Rangers and Seals. The armies would abandon those line up and fight tactics really quick.
Civil War Guerrilla Warfare
Civil War Guerrilla Warfare
Posted on 3/31/14 at 12:10 pm to boom roasted
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quote:100 SEALS are going to infiltrate a force of tens of thousands and destroy close to 300 cannons without anyone noticing or stopping them? Come on, this is not CoD or Battlefield 4.
I don't know what else to say to this fella.
He's right. You don't put the SEALs on a battlefield, period. They are ineffective when faced against opposition in numbers. The shear amounts of lead thrown their way would certainly kill off a good amount, by luck alone.
SEALs don't fight that way now, and it wouldn't be wise to change that in engagements of 50K+ soldiers.
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