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re: Delphi, IN Murders Trial Thread
Posted on 11/2/24 at 8:00 am to POTUS2024
Posted on 11/2/24 at 8:00 am to POTUS2024
One of the things Burkhart mentioned (her Thursday video, I think) was that on May 2, Allen was talked to in the prison about eating feces and such. On May 3 he got the diagnosis from the prison psych of psychotic disorder, and that is the same day they are saying he made his confession.
We'll see what the Defense has to bring, but it seems they saw mentions of a van in early investigation reports, so Harshman is probably full of shite when he says hearing that on Allen's prison calls was new. Also, many commenters have said that the van was mentioned in social media as crime junkies talked about the case, early on. Harshman's claim that Allen's voice is the voice of Bridge Guy comes from an enhanced video, which may not be the same sound as the raw, and Harshman doesn't seem to have much credibility, after cross examination.
I'm going to look at Burkhart's latest video, almost six hours long. See what she has to say.
We'll see what the Defense has to bring, but it seems they saw mentions of a van in early investigation reports, so Harshman is probably full of shite when he says hearing that on Allen's prison calls was new. Also, many commenters have said that the van was mentioned in social media as crime junkies talked about the case, early on. Harshman's claim that Allen's voice is the voice of Bridge Guy comes from an enhanced video, which may not be the same sound as the raw, and Harshman doesn't seem to have much credibility, after cross examination.
I'm going to look at Burkhart's latest video, almost six hours long. See what she has to say.
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Posted on 11/2/24 at 8:27 am to POTUS2024
I sped through her latest video last night and the biggest takeaway for me was that while one of the lead investigators was on the stand, the jury heard…for the first time…that a trail cam picked up someone relatively near the bodies after midnight (the night/morning before they were found).
It could have been one of the members of the search party but then why didn’t they find the not well hidden bodies?
Richard Allen would have been home with his wife at this time according to the prosecution timeline.
Also, if it picked up someone in that area at night why couldn’t it have picked up someone during the day when the murders took place?
It could have been one of the members of the search party but then why didn’t they find the not well hidden bodies?
Richard Allen would have been home with his wife at this time according to the prosecution timeline.
Also, if it picked up someone in that area at night why couldn’t it have picked up someone during the day when the murders took place?
This post was edited on 11/2/24 at 8:31 am
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:00 am to bikerack
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…a trail cam picked up someone relatively near the bodies after midnight…
It could have been one of the members of the search party but then why didn’t they find the not well hidden bodies?
How do we know they weren’t well hidden especially in the middle of the night?
It wasn’t an organized grid search making sure every piece of land checked for bodies. They were walking thru the woods looking for missing kids and possibly calling out for them.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:19 am to bikerack
Trail cam info
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Later, Mullin was asked about a camera at the trail. The former police chief said the camera recorded video but no audio. On Feb. 14, 2017, in the “wee hours,” Mullin said, “It showed that there was someone in front of the camera on the day that the search was taking place. The person was in front of the trail cam, pictured in the trial cam.” The former police chief said the trail camera is located west of where the girls’ bodies were found.
Next came questions from the jury.
Mullin revealed investigators later identified the person seen on the trail cam; that person’s name was not shared. Mullin also said the place where the bodies were found could not be seen from the trail cam. He said trail cam’s timestamp was accurate.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:02 am to POTUS2024
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I'm going to look at Burkhart's latest video, almost six hours long. See what she has to say.
6 hours?? And she has put out multiple videos that are hours long? If someone has the time to watch all or even just more than one of these I hope it’s part of their job.
Burkhart is a defense attorney and is used to trying to poke holes to create doubt. It seems like that is what she is doing with anything she can. Poking holes is not always building a coherent alternative theory and isn’t always cumulative as they don’t always fit together and can even work against other arguments previously made (or future ones). Like trying to create doubt in a piece of evidence by rejecting a method of testing for that evidence, but then later trying to create additional doubt by using something as evidence that was gotten through the same testing that was already criticized and rejected.
The other day someone elsewhere who completely put down the validity of the bullet case testing mentioned a gun before Allen’s came into the picture that was never ruled out as being the source of the expelled bullet by the same person and testing method that the person had previously rejected.
Burkhart seems to be acting more like her every day job as a defense attorney and not an objective observer of the trial. Informative but needs to weighed based on her line of thinking like a defense attorney. Also limit deep dives into 6 hour podcasts by a defense attorney and especially limit doing it more than once. After a while objectivity will be lost.
This post was edited on 11/2/24 at 10:05 am
Posted on 11/2/24 at 11:12 am to dallastigers
Burkhart's videos have tons of stuff but they could be half as long if she didn't go off on so many tangents. There's just no way to have time to look at all that stuff. She does a video like this after every day of the trial.
Here are my notes after going through her latest video. It's just too tedious to sit through 6hrs though.
After scanning through the video I arrived at 2:33:00 to slow it down and pay some attention.
Defense calls Mullen(sp?) back to the stand. He is LE. Since 2017 many witness interviews have been lost. Mullen says there is a list of the interviews lost. Burkhart talks about how this list should have been given to the Defense, but it wasn't. Mullen asked what was done to recreate the interviews. Mullen says he didn't try to re-interview these people.
Further questioning of Mullen - he says he called Weber earlier this year to talk to him again. He says he didn't tell Weber what they would be talking about. The phone call to Weber wasn't recorded. Burkhart gives some context as Weber had given them inconsistent statements previously and here they are in 2024, calling him again to talk, and claiming they didn't tell Weber what they would want to discuss - and Weber is probably the key to their case because of the van and confession connection. I think later in the video she mentions that Weber said he went through a bunch of text messages and other stuff for that last interview - yet he wasn't told what they would be talking about, so it looks a bit shady whether or not LE told him what they wanted to talk about.
Defense asks if there were inconsistent statements from Weber. Objection from Prosecution. Defense asks if he's aware of conflicting statements about his location and times. Mullen says yes. Defense asks if he knew Weber had a second job. Yes is the answer. Burkhart says the Defense is working up to getting it known that Weber did not go straight home that day of the murders. This would take the van off the table with regard to Allen's confession. Defense asks if Weber has a SigSauer - yes he does. News to me. Maybe this came out back on the day the firearms expert testified. Perhaps Burkhart misspoke. She's in the courtroom half the day and then doing a video for half the night. I know she's tired.
Mullen is a big part of the LE investigative team and he didn't give a very good presentation for LE - Burkhart says he was dismissive of the Defense and even chuckled at one time about reports that were left undated. Eventually these things wear on a jury, IMO, and gravely hurt the credibility of the investigation and make the jury not believe what they've told from LE.
Defense asks how many times did Allen confess before being put in prison. Answer is zero but I think Mullen tried to say he didn't know - but he's supposed to be a super knowledgeable guy on all matters in the investigation. Again, the jury surely has to be noticing this type of stuff.
From Defense questioning it appears there was someone out there in close proximity to the girls' bodies, and this person was not part of the search party. It's hard to follow Burkhart's videos - almost 6hrs and she just talks and talks and talks. She goes off on a tangent so I speed along, try to catch her back on topic and sometimes it doesn't work. I don't know if she's saying a trail camera may have gotten this person or what. If this is legit, it'll come out in more detail as the Defense airs its case. Above it's mentioned that this person was later identified. Was this info made available to the Defense? Was this person interviewed? I have no idea. If it's a nothing burger, why did the Defense bring it up?
At this point, seeing how bad the LE investigation was, and how they've been clowned, the missing interviews etc, and the dates of Allen's mental health Dx in prison aligning with his confessions...I don't think the jury is looking favorably upon the LE people or their investigation, I think the prison is going to be sued for its treatment of Allen, and I think more than a couple jurors will acquit Allen, not really understanding whether he's innocent but knowing the investigation left reasonable doubt alive. He might be guilty but this is an awful case, with a prosecution team that is overmatched by the Defense, playing obstruction games constantly, and a judge that is squarely on the side of the prosecution. My gut tells me they've lost a few of the jury members and will never get them back. Plus I think the Defense still has some aces up its sleeve. If they do have the trap sprung on Weber, then it's a wrap and Allen walks.
What's really bad here is that the prosecution / LE looks unprofessional so if Allen walks we won't know if it's because they got the wrong guy or they let the right guy walk. Best case scenario here is probably for the Defense to blow this apart, completely embarrass the LE team, mass firings on the LE side, clean house, better people brought in, and the investigation kick started again. If Defense can blow this apart, it will leave people feeling Allen is also a victim and that there's no chance he's the guy.
Worst case scenario is they have the wrong guy but get a guilty verdict and on appeal it's declared a mistrial and I think that's possible with how this judge has behaved. Then everything has to be reset and we know the state won't just let this go.
Here are my notes after going through her latest video. It's just too tedious to sit through 6hrs though.
After scanning through the video I arrived at 2:33:00 to slow it down and pay some attention.
Defense calls Mullen(sp?) back to the stand. He is LE. Since 2017 many witness interviews have been lost. Mullen says there is a list of the interviews lost. Burkhart talks about how this list should have been given to the Defense, but it wasn't. Mullen asked what was done to recreate the interviews. Mullen says he didn't try to re-interview these people.
Further questioning of Mullen - he says he called Weber earlier this year to talk to him again. He says he didn't tell Weber what they would be talking about. The phone call to Weber wasn't recorded. Burkhart gives some context as Weber had given them inconsistent statements previously and here they are in 2024, calling him again to talk, and claiming they didn't tell Weber what they would want to discuss - and Weber is probably the key to their case because of the van and confession connection. I think later in the video she mentions that Weber said he went through a bunch of text messages and other stuff for that last interview - yet he wasn't told what they would be talking about, so it looks a bit shady whether or not LE told him what they wanted to talk about.
Defense asks if there were inconsistent statements from Weber. Objection from Prosecution. Defense asks if he's aware of conflicting statements about his location and times. Mullen says yes. Defense asks if he knew Weber had a second job. Yes is the answer. Burkhart says the Defense is working up to getting it known that Weber did not go straight home that day of the murders. This would take the van off the table with regard to Allen's confession. Defense asks if Weber has a SigSauer - yes he does. News to me. Maybe this came out back on the day the firearms expert testified. Perhaps Burkhart misspoke. She's in the courtroom half the day and then doing a video for half the night. I know she's tired.
Mullen is a big part of the LE investigative team and he didn't give a very good presentation for LE - Burkhart says he was dismissive of the Defense and even chuckled at one time about reports that were left undated. Eventually these things wear on a jury, IMO, and gravely hurt the credibility of the investigation and make the jury not believe what they've told from LE.
Defense asks how many times did Allen confess before being put in prison. Answer is zero but I think Mullen tried to say he didn't know - but he's supposed to be a super knowledgeable guy on all matters in the investigation. Again, the jury surely has to be noticing this type of stuff.
From Defense questioning it appears there was someone out there in close proximity to the girls' bodies, and this person was not part of the search party. It's hard to follow Burkhart's videos - almost 6hrs and she just talks and talks and talks. She goes off on a tangent so I speed along, try to catch her back on topic and sometimes it doesn't work. I don't know if she's saying a trail camera may have gotten this person or what. If this is legit, it'll come out in more detail as the Defense airs its case. Above it's mentioned that this person was later identified. Was this info made available to the Defense? Was this person interviewed? I have no idea. If it's a nothing burger, why did the Defense bring it up?
At this point, seeing how bad the LE investigation was, and how they've been clowned, the missing interviews etc, and the dates of Allen's mental health Dx in prison aligning with his confessions...I don't think the jury is looking favorably upon the LE people or their investigation, I think the prison is going to be sued for its treatment of Allen, and I think more than a couple jurors will acquit Allen, not really understanding whether he's innocent but knowing the investigation left reasonable doubt alive. He might be guilty but this is an awful case, with a prosecution team that is overmatched by the Defense, playing obstruction games constantly, and a judge that is squarely on the side of the prosecution. My gut tells me they've lost a few of the jury members and will never get them back. Plus I think the Defense still has some aces up its sleeve. If they do have the trap sprung on Weber, then it's a wrap and Allen walks.
What's really bad here is that the prosecution / LE looks unprofessional so if Allen walks we won't know if it's because they got the wrong guy or they let the right guy walk. Best case scenario here is probably for the Defense to blow this apart, completely embarrass the LE team, mass firings on the LE side, clean house, better people brought in, and the investigation kick started again. If Defense can blow this apart, it will leave people feeling Allen is also a victim and that there's no chance he's the guy.
Worst case scenario is they have the wrong guy but get a guilty verdict and on appeal it's declared a mistrial and I think that's possible with how this judge has behaved. Then everything has to be reset and we know the state won't just let this go.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 11:13 am to dallastigers
Summary of part of this morning's testimony and videos.
Richard Allen entered court at 8:46 a.m. News 8’s Kyla Russell noted he was mouthing words with his family. His wife, Kathy Allen, wasn’t present. Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter was also present in full uniform.
The courtroom TV was moved and positioned so no one in the gallery could see, according to Russell. State prosecutor Nick McLeland objected to video of Richard Allen while at Westville be admitted, while defense attorney Brad Rozzi requested the video only be shown to the jury for “dignity of multiple people involved” due to explicit material.
Russell noted Kathy Allen still hadn’t arrived, mentioning that she left court during Friday’s session before videos were viewed, as well.
After the jury entered, the defense called Max Baker, IU graduate and defense intern, back to the stand. Baker testified Friday that he was asked to compile videos of Allen while in Westville, and prepared another flash drive of video Saturday morning.
The defense shared two exhibits – camcorder video and a master sheet for the video. The master sheet included a “contains nudity” category for the video.
Gull admitted the videos, despite objection. The prosecution had to pull up chairs to watch the video. Richard Allen cannot see the videos.
The 10 videos were taken during April 2023. One of the videos, referred to as Video #7, was nearly 30 minutes long, but Rozzi sped it up, according to Russell.
While watching the videos, Russell noted that one of the jurors raised their brows and looked at Allen. Several jurors were taking notes. The juror with a background as a psychologist appeared “extremely interested.”
Allen looked down at a coffee mug at one point. Libby German’s family appeared “exasperated” while the videos played, while McLeland seemed exhausted.
Several jurors frowned during Video #7. One juror took notes, wrote something on his notepad, and showed it to the juror next to him. During Video #9, multiple jurors looked toward Allen.
The last video was 52 minutes long. Rozzi told the jury he would be advancing through certain parts.
Defense attorney Jennifer Auger appeared deeply concerned watching Video #10, Russell observed. At one point, Auger held her head in her hand, and covered her mouth during another. Eventually, she looked away.
Of the jurors, Russell said one of the alternate jurors wore a sour look, while the school counselor appeared shocked.
It wasn’t clear to the media and public what was in the videos as the TV faced away from them.
The court recessed for a short break at 10:46 a.m.
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Richard Allen entered court at 8:46 a.m. News 8’s Kyla Russell noted he was mouthing words with his family. His wife, Kathy Allen, wasn’t present. Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter was also present in full uniform.
The courtroom TV was moved and positioned so no one in the gallery could see, according to Russell. State prosecutor Nick McLeland objected to video of Richard Allen while at Westville be admitted, while defense attorney Brad Rozzi requested the video only be shown to the jury for “dignity of multiple people involved” due to explicit material.
Russell noted Kathy Allen still hadn’t arrived, mentioning that she left court during Friday’s session before videos were viewed, as well.
After the jury entered, the defense called Max Baker, IU graduate and defense intern, back to the stand. Baker testified Friday that he was asked to compile videos of Allen while in Westville, and prepared another flash drive of video Saturday morning.
The defense shared two exhibits – camcorder video and a master sheet for the video. The master sheet included a “contains nudity” category for the video.
Gull admitted the videos, despite objection. The prosecution had to pull up chairs to watch the video. Richard Allen cannot see the videos.
The 10 videos were taken during April 2023. One of the videos, referred to as Video #7, was nearly 30 minutes long, but Rozzi sped it up, according to Russell.
While watching the videos, Russell noted that one of the jurors raised their brows and looked at Allen. Several jurors were taking notes. The juror with a background as a psychologist appeared “extremely interested.”
Allen looked down at a coffee mug at one point. Libby German’s family appeared “exasperated” while the videos played, while McLeland seemed exhausted.
Several jurors frowned during Video #7. One juror took notes, wrote something on his notepad, and showed it to the juror next to him. During Video #9, multiple jurors looked toward Allen.
The last video was 52 minutes long. Rozzi told the jury he would be advancing through certain parts.
Defense attorney Jennifer Auger appeared deeply concerned watching Video #10, Russell observed. At one point, Auger held her head in her hand, and covered her mouth during another. Eventually, she looked away.
Of the jurors, Russell said one of the alternate jurors wore a sour look, while the school counselor appeared shocked.
It wasn’t clear to the media and public what was in the videos as the TV faced away from them.
The court recessed for a short break at 10:46 a.m.
LINK
Posted on 11/2/24 at 11:26 am to Gris Gris
It seems like everyone hated the videos.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 11:37 am to Gris Gris
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It wasn’t clear to the media and public what was in the videos as the TV faced away from them.
Probably videos of him eating his own shite and wanking in his cell while spewing crazy nonsense. No doubt the defense team is trying to raise questions on his sanity to explain away his 847 confessions as the ravings of a mad man.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 11:51 am to POTUS2024
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It seems like everyone hated the videos.
I feel certain that they did. The question is how it affected the jury. Do they think he started confessing because of the prison conditions? Was he faking or truly nuts? Does it matter if he was nuts post crime? Not unless you believe he confessed due to his mental state and not because he actually committed the murders.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 12:01 pm to Gris Gris
The reporter for the Carroll County Comet just posted a brief video. In it, she said she could see some of the video shown to the jury because she could see the defense attorney's laptop screen. I assume she will describe it more when they write their story for today's proceedings.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 12:27 pm to Gris Gris
The latest update from this morning.
12:49 p.m.: Jury watches more video; ISP Superintendent testifies
Court returned from its recess at 11:05 a.m. After the jury entered, the defense recessed Max Baker and briefly paused the videos. State prosecutor Nick McLeland later said he would hold on his cross-examination of Baker until all the videos are watched.
The defense then called Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter to testify. Carter has been superintendent for almost 12 years, and said his role in Abby Williams and Libby German’s death investigation was a “support role.” He explained dozens of agencies were involved, including multiple nearby county agencies, ATF, FBI, and Homeland Security.
Carter said the FBI stopped their involvement in August 2021. Defense’s Andrew Baldwin showed Carter an email from the FBI, which Carter confirmed to the jury was his decision to release the FBI from the investigation. He also also requested the FBI return any evidence.
Carter was then released from his subpoena. News 8’s Kyla Russell noted that Carter was only on the stand for around 10 minutes.
After Carter was released, the courtroom TV was moved and positioned in front of the jury. No one in the public seating area could see the videos played. McLeland renewed his objection.
Videos #11 – 15 were taken between May 13 and June 20 of 2023.
During Video #13, Russell said Baldwin turned away, shaking his head. Three jurors sat uncomfortably during Video #14. Defense attorney Jennifer Auger was also seen looking away.
Video #15 was 34 minutes long, according to Russell. Multiple jurors took notes, and an alternate juror appeared very surprised and wide eyed. Baldwin was seen speaking to Richard Allen softly with his arm around him. Allen was shaking his head while also taking notes
Videos ended at 11:50 a.m. Russell said of the videos viewed, four contained nudity while others showed Allen being transported to receive medical care.
Upon Rozzi’s questioning, Max Becker said he created a similar spreadsheet for security footage from inside Allen’s cell. State prosecutor Nick McLeland later said he would hold on his cross-examination of Baker until all the videos are watched.
Court ended just before noon Saturday.
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I'm curious about the jurors taking notes.
12:49 p.m.: Jury watches more video; ISP Superintendent testifies
Court returned from its recess at 11:05 a.m. After the jury entered, the defense recessed Max Baker and briefly paused the videos. State prosecutor Nick McLeland later said he would hold on his cross-examination of Baker until all the videos are watched.
The defense then called Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter to testify. Carter has been superintendent for almost 12 years, and said his role in Abby Williams and Libby German’s death investigation was a “support role.” He explained dozens of agencies were involved, including multiple nearby county agencies, ATF, FBI, and Homeland Security.
Carter said the FBI stopped their involvement in August 2021. Defense’s Andrew Baldwin showed Carter an email from the FBI, which Carter confirmed to the jury was his decision to release the FBI from the investigation. He also also requested the FBI return any evidence.
Carter was then released from his subpoena. News 8’s Kyla Russell noted that Carter was only on the stand for around 10 minutes.
After Carter was released, the courtroom TV was moved and positioned in front of the jury. No one in the public seating area could see the videos played. McLeland renewed his objection.
Videos #11 – 15 were taken between May 13 and June 20 of 2023.
During Video #13, Russell said Baldwin turned away, shaking his head. Three jurors sat uncomfortably during Video #14. Defense attorney Jennifer Auger was also seen looking away.
Video #15 was 34 minutes long, according to Russell. Multiple jurors took notes, and an alternate juror appeared very surprised and wide eyed. Baldwin was seen speaking to Richard Allen softly with his arm around him. Allen was shaking his head while also taking notes
Videos ended at 11:50 a.m. Russell said of the videos viewed, four contained nudity while others showed Allen being transported to receive medical care.
Upon Rozzi’s questioning, Max Becker said he created a similar spreadsheet for security footage from inside Allen’s cell. State prosecutor Nick McLeland later said he would hold on his cross-examination of Baker until all the videos are watched.
Court ended just before noon Saturday.
LINK
I'm curious about the jurors taking notes.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 12:46 pm to Gris Gris
Considering how many aspects of this trial or focus around mental health and psychiatry (medical doctor) keeping this juror is an interesting choice for both sides. The juror will probably be first to come out with a book.
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Several jurors were taking notes. The juror with a background as a psychologist appeared “extremely interested.”
Posted on 11/2/24 at 12:51 pm to dallastigers
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Several jurors were taking notes. The juror with a background as a psychologist appeared “extremely interested.”
Yes, the one with that background could be persuasive when the case goes the juror. In what way, I don't know.
I also found it curious that one juror wrote a note and showed it to another juror. I thought they weren't supposed to communicate with each other about the case until deliberations.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 12:55 pm to Gris Gris
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I'm curious about the jurors taking notes.
Do you (or anyone else) know the process for the jury submitting questions? I am not used to questions allowed seemingly right after both sides are done with witness (how summaries make it come across), and more used to it happening more when jury is starting decision process and during it.
Do they leave and come back with agreed upon written questions? And so on
It makes sense to address stuff right then and there, but depending on the “side” of the witness answers could have some bias. But again I don’t if that’s how it’s happening.
This post was edited on 11/2/24 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 11/2/24 at 1:19 pm to dallastigers
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Do you (or anyone else) know the process for the jury submitting questions? I am not used to questions allowed seemingly right after both sides are done with witness (how summaries make it come across), and more used to it happening more when jury is starting decision process and during it.
Do they leave and come back with agreed upon written questions? And so on
It makes sense to address stuff right then and there, but depending on the “side” of the witness answers could have some bias. But again I don’t if that’s how it’s happening.
I think they are able to submit questions once testimony is concluded of a witness. That seems to be the way it goes. I would assume the judge reads the questions first before they asked in court. I don't recall reading of any sidebars with regard to inclusion of any of their questions.
I don't believe they get to pow wow together to decide on questions. I think individual jurors can submit questions if they have them.
This is my impression.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 1:34 pm to Gris Gris
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I also found it curious that one juror wrote a note and showed it to another juror. I thought they weren't supposed to communicate with each other about the case until deliberations.
They are able to discuss evidence and testimony as long as they don't form opinions about it.
I'm not sure how you police that...but they do have deputies with them at all times when they are together.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 1:41 pm to bikerack
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They are able to discuss evidence and testimony as long as they don't form opinions about it. I'm not sure how you police that...but they do have deputies with them at all times when they are together.
Wow. I didn’t know they allowed that there. Normally, they aren’t supposed to discuss the case at all until deliberations. I think they always have a court employee/security with them when they’re together as a group.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 1:41 pm to POTUS2024
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Since 2017 many witness interviews have been lost. Mullen says there is a list of the interviews lost.
I honestly don’t doubt this. Losing or misfiling Allen’s statement for a while along with some of other things not working makes me think that whatever the deal is on when it was known Weber had a white van and returned around time of murders, it’s possible it was only known by 1 or 2 and then lost or put with stuff it should not have been.
The locals were not ready for this type of case. I think they assumed a local offender would break, be ratted on, and/or not do a good job cleaning up or disposing of evidence and wrap it relatively quickly. Not collecting the sticks for weeks still gets me. A more sophisticated state lab or even a federal one might have found evidence including dna that wasn’t visible to those on the scene that day.
This post was edited on 11/2/24 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 11/3/24 at 7:40 pm to dallastigers
This is a video, a little less than 2hrs long. Came out a few hours ago. It's Andrea Burkhart being interviewed, so the tempo is much faster and she encapsulates a lot of stuff from the trial so far. They show some screen caps of talk about the white van quite some time ago, along with the prison psych being a member to various crime discussion groups, like on Facebook. More details about Weber, who seems to be a pretty sketchy guy.
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