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Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:05 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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I'm neither confused nor playing the GOTCHA game, buddy.
Also I'm not rudely, mistakingly, and condescendingly accusing folks of being confused or wrong simply because they don't agree with me.
Nice. I'm not usually one to fault people for grammatical mistakes, but you want to play these silly games.
And you are still confused about this, or just being willfully stubborn. You said:
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The error here is yours (to spell it out for you: the misapplication of adult oriented methods to children).
I then explained how my idea could be applied to children, and you eventually agreed:
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I completely agree that getting to the root of the problem is much, much better than spanking.
Can you see the about-face that you did there?
I'm not saying you are full of shite about the spanking argument in general. You are wrong on this specific issue of feebly attempting to invalidate the article on Pete Carroll's coaching philosophy. You're stuck on this. And to make things worse, you keep trying to say that you are not. Just admit your mistake and move on.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:17 pm to inadaze
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Can you see the about-face that you did there?
Not an about face. No mistake.
Young children are incapable of reason. Your Pete Carroll technique will not work on this set of children. Notice I didn't say all children of all ages. Spanking will work at this age.
Man you are dense.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:22 pm to inadaze
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I'm not usually one to fault people for grammatical mistakes, but I'm really grasping at straws here
FIFY
And btw that was a spelling error
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:27 pm to RealityTiger
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Parenting advice and scrutiny
My attempt was not to give advice or scrutinize. My arguments maybe weren't presented very well, but it boils down to this for me - Don't use violence as leverage to impose your will on another human - It's a larger principle really that doesn't just apply to parenting. And it seems to be based in elementary logic. In a parenting context, I see it as a petty-tyrant move.
I abhor giving people advice or telling people what to do. That's not the aim. But we are talking about a general concept that affects more than the person making the choice in a very direct way. With other personal choice issues that don't affect others so directly, I'm much less inclined to even give an opinion.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:32 pm to inadaze
Theoretical parenting is easy.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:33 pm to inadaze
You sound like a smart feller, one with 2 or so degrees, maybe? But, also one with not enough common sense to come in out of the rain..
I know that it hurt my daddy a whole lot more than it did me, cause he told me that every time he took off his belt to whip my arse,,, which I probly needed.
I know that it hurt my daddy a whole lot more than it did me, cause he told me that every time he took off his belt to whip my arse,,, which I probly needed.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:35 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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Not an about face. No mistake.
Oh it was, and if you read my last post you saw it, you just won't admit it.
Now, if you say that by children, YOU were referring to very young children that have not developed logical skills, then that's fine, but you didn't specify that. And there was no original error on my part because I was not talking about that.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:35 pm to TheDoc
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the least educated states are the ones who believe in spanking the most
not a coincidence
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:37 pm to WDE24
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Theoretical parenting is easy.
That's a lazy argument. Fine, you want to continue to invalidate me, but how do you explain people that have children but don't spank them?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:37 pm to inadaze
quote:No it wasn't. You are taking snippets of what he said out of context and it is obvious to see.
Oh it was, and if you read my last post you saw it, you just won't admit it.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:38 pm to inadaze
quote:I have no reason to explain them. What kind of ridiculous argument is that?
but how do you explain people that have children but don't spank them?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:39 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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And btw that was a spelling error
You're right. That does more specifically describe your ironic error.
I was referring to this usage of the word grammar:
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the set of rules that explain how words are used in a language
But your word is better to describe your mistake.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:39 pm to inadaze
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I feel hesitant to get embroiled in this much further, but another point I have been trying to discuss is that what you have described here seems to be fear-based.
Is there not another way to connect with the child on this level besides fear? Can you appeal to something else? Can there not be a high enough level of respect, love, or something else, where you don't have to appeal to fear?
A healthy amount of fear, as long as it's mixed with love, is the perfect combination for raising young children. As they get older, you find other methods of instilling the healthy fear. Like, of dying from driving while they drink, etc.
A healthy amount of instilled fear is good for all ages. I'm motivated by the fear of being homeless, so I've decided to work and pay my bills everyday.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:41 pm to RedMustang
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Is this a Southern thing or what? I've never read or heard so much about spanking in my life as on TD, but I live in the Midwest. Everyone I know personally is dead set against it. Spanking is nothing but a lack of parenting skills.
Far more prevalent in the South.
Better hope your kid's day care or school can spank if that's what you use for discipline. If not, it isn't going to be consistent. Discipline isn't nearly as effective in a child when carried out later, they come home.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:41 pm to WDE24
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No it wasn't. You are taking snippets of what he said out of context and it is obvious to see.
That's incorrect. And this is silly.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:42 pm to inadaze
quote:no it isn't, but yes this is silly.
That's incorrect. And this is silly.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:43 pm to inadaze
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but how do you explain people that have children but don't spank them?
The same way you explain those that have children and do spank them?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:45 pm to WDE24
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I have no reason to explain them. What kind of ridiculous argument is that?
You are invalidating what I say on the basis of personal experience.
So remove that easy crutch. There are plenty of people with personal experience that agree with me.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Better hope your kid's day care or school can spank if that's what you use for discipline. If not, it isn't going to be consistent. Discipline isn't nearly as effective in a child when carried out later, they come home.
Not especially. Normally, properly disciplined children in the home don't act out in day care and school. If they do, discipline them in the home, and instill that the same consequence will occur when they get home if the school reports anything to them, and you get the same results.
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