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re: JBE drops the hammer
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:17 pm to lsunurse
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:17 pm to lsunurse
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Geometry, Algebra, Trig, and Calculus. You couldn't leave school early your senior year either.
Algebra 1, Geometry, Algebra 2, and Advanced math (A3) at his school. Excellent prep in everything but math.
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
I am a current LSU student finishing this May who made a 29 on the ACT in high school. My sister will will be starting college this Fall, and I will be going back to school one more year to complete CPA requirements so I feel like I can offer some current insight on TOPS.
First, a 20 is too low to earn a merit based full tuition scholarship, but a 26 is too high, particularly in La. I'm not sure what the exact percentage is, but a 26 is going to put you somewhere about the 80th percentile nationally. I would assume this is going to be somewhere near the top 10% state wide. The point of TOPS is to keep successful people in La after graduation. My personal belief is the requirement should be a 24 because that means you are somewhere towards the "upper middle" of test scores and will probably do well in college.
Secondly, asking people to pay TOPS back in they do not graduate in retarded. TOPS is essentially an investment by the state. They are saying we will pay for you to stay in state and collect more in taxes than we paid for your education. At the current requirements this is obviously a risky as hell investment considering a 13 could guess right enough to make a 20 on the ACT.
Finally on a more personal example. My parents are middle class and make just short of 100K a year in income, but still struggle. They bent over backwards to send my sister and me to private school to make sure we got the best education possible. I worked all through college and still had to take out student loans to pay living expenses and books and the such. I'll graduate with only about $20k in debt that I am totally ok with as I see it as an investment in my career earning potential. Jut because I went to a private school or am not eligible for grants or other low income help doesn't mean I didn't deserve TOPS. I worked hard, earned it, and tested in the top quarter of the country of the ACT. The state is smart to invest in students like this as I can assure you I will pay back the $50K or so in TOPS they invested five fold in me offer my lifetime
First, a 20 is too low to earn a merit based full tuition scholarship, but a 26 is too high, particularly in La. I'm not sure what the exact percentage is, but a 26 is going to put you somewhere about the 80th percentile nationally. I would assume this is going to be somewhere near the top 10% state wide. The point of TOPS is to keep successful people in La after graduation. My personal belief is the requirement should be a 24 because that means you are somewhere towards the "upper middle" of test scores and will probably do well in college.
Secondly, asking people to pay TOPS back in they do not graduate in retarded. TOPS is essentially an investment by the state. They are saying we will pay for you to stay in state and collect more in taxes than we paid for your education. At the current requirements this is obviously a risky as hell investment considering a 13 could guess right enough to make a 20 on the ACT.
Finally on a more personal example. My parents are middle class and make just short of 100K a year in income, but still struggle. They bent over backwards to send my sister and me to private school to make sure we got the best education possible. I worked all through college and still had to take out student loans to pay living expenses and books and the such. I'll graduate with only about $20k in debt that I am totally ok with as I see it as an investment in my career earning potential. Jut because I went to a private school or am not eligible for grants or other low income help doesn't mean I didn't deserve TOPS. I worked hard, earned it, and tested in the top quarter of the country of the ACT. The state is smart to invest in students like this as I can assure you I will pay back the $50K or so in TOPS they invested five fold in me offer my lifetime
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:22 pm to Barf
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Very few students score high only the ACT's without some sort of prep
Son #1 made a 27 ... all 3 times. NEVER opened a book to study. Graduated with 4.0 from high school; graduates soon with his master's.
Son #2 made a 29 the last 2 times of the 6 that he's taken it (currently waiting on the 7th time results; trying for a 28 in math) and he never opened a book. 3.56 in high school; starts ULL in the fall.
Daughter, well, she's a freshman and will take it in June. Letting her just wing it to evaluate where she is.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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your kids can't finish Advanced Math/Pre-Calc and then get bussed to another school for calculus? that was offered when i was in HS
He drove himself to Vinton the first half of this year for a 1 semester class in what was supposedly pre-calc. It was pitiful, basically the same crap he had in advanced Math. The only way he could have taken Calculus would have been to do a dual enrollment at McNeese. That wasn't feasible considering the 45 minute drive both ways. He would have missed too many other AP classes at his school.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:24 pm to X123F45
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Gpa is a measure of work and self discipline.
ACT and SAT scores are measures of intelligence.
And that good measure of work and self discipline will get you very far in life. This is why I can't agree with those who said that a 24 ACT shouldn't be in college but follow another path.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:27 pm to BOSCEAUX
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I believe there is some pre-calc and trig on it now. Many schools don't teach that.
How can they not teach that?? Trig at least .. part of advanced math. Louisiana now (or will in the next year) require 4 maths to graduate and financial math can NOT be one of them. Alg 1, Alg 2, Geometry, Advanced Math.
They've got to have seen it before, no??
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:27 pm to BOSCEAUX
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He drove himself to Vinton the first half of this year for a 1 semester class in what was supposedly pre-calc. It was pitiful, basically the same crap he had in advanced Math. The only way he could have taken Calculus would have been to do a dual enrollment at McNeese. That wasn't feasible considering the 45 minute drive both ways. He would have missed too many other AP classes at his school.
That's crazy.
The resources it takes to live out in the sticks but have the same comparable opportunity is insane.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
We are a small Catholic school, less than 250 students with 50 in the graduating class. 10 are in the calc class ... if the requirement for TOPS was a 28, the counselor said that 5 or 6 kids of this years seniors would qualify. Not sure if it's all kids who take the calc class or not.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:29 pm to tiger91
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How can they not teach that?? Trig at least .. part of advanced math. Louisiana now (or will in the next year) require 4 maths to graduate and financial math can NOT be one of them. Alg 1, Alg 2, Geometry, Advanced Math. They've got to have seen it before, no??
Advanced Math has very few trig concepts in it, mainly Algebra 3. No calculus at all.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:30 pm to BOSCEAUX
quote:Seems your four years would've been better spent teaching your son math outside of the schools curriculum. I graduated from a public high school in rural arse Morehouse Parish taking the easiest math I could,i.e. accounting and some Basic Math class with the same workbook as my little brothers 6th grade class. I scored a 26 & 27 on my two attempts at the ACT don't remember my math score but was only a couple points from CLEPping out of College Algebra per my college counseler.
I've been bitching about it to the school board for 4 years.
I did not read every page but it seems most people aren't understanding that the 26 comes from the current laws regarding what happens if the state can't fully fund TOPS and it goes for everyone applying regardless of when they started in the TOPS program.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:33 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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make just short of 100K a year in income, but still struggle.
WTF?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:33 pm to SuperSaint
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The resources it takes to live out in the sticks but have the same comparable opportunity is insane.
Don't get me wrong SS, besides the lack of Math he got a great background. Small class sizes, decent teachers, and safe as hell. I've been bitching for years to get a calculus class here or a legit one in Vinton they will bus our kids too.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:34 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Advanced Math has very few trig concepts in it, mainly Algebra 3. No calculus at all.
I graduated hs in 1987 .. took advanced math my senior year and had a ton of trig. In fact, when I took math 1022 I believe it was I aced that without any problem whatsoever. I remember the professor asking my class (filled with people from my high school) "Where did you people go to school??" He'd never had a class of all As with so little trouble.
Either my teacher was ahead of the game or math curicculums have changed.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:34 pm to tiger91
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last 2 times of the 6 that he's taken it (currently waiting on the 7th time
Am I taking crazy pills??? (Well figuratively)... But kids take the ACT 7 times?
I took it once. Got a score that worked and didn't even think about taking it again. I think my brother took it twice due to feeling he could have done better, and he was right and bumped his score a couple points.... But 7 times?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:36 pm to SuperSaint
Yep ... he's crazy. After the first 29 I was like dude, stop already. But he really wanted to get out of taking college algebra and go into calc (he was advised by his advisor and myself AND his brother who graduated in engineering to NOT do this).
He's somewhat hardheaded ... and now he's planning on taking 109/110 and NOT calc no matter his score this go round.
I could kill him at times.
(lol his first try was a 25, next 3 were 28 ... after the FIRST 28 I was like STOP ... but he kept going. Last 2 were 29. I can say that his math score does keep improving but he's still 1 point short for getting straight into calc.)
Me? I'd have definitely quit after the 28 the first time. It got him nothing "extra" except more early wake ups on ACT test day.
He's somewhat hardheaded ... and now he's planning on taking 109/110 and NOT calc no matter his score this go round.
I could kill him at times.
(lol his first try was a 25, next 3 were 28 ... after the FIRST 28 I was like STOP ... but he kept going. Last 2 were 29. I can say that his math score does keep improving but he's still 1 point short for getting straight into calc.)
Me? I'd have definitely quit after the 28 the first time. It got him nothing "extra" except more early wake ups on ACT test day.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:37 pm to 007mag
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rom CLEPping out of College Algebra per my college counseler.
I CLEP'd out of college Algebra and so will he but it's lack of trig and calc in high school that's his issue. I took Calculus at LSU from a dude named Sundar, got my C and got the frick out, don't think I would be the best teacher
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:39 pm to tiger91
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Daughter, well, she's a freshman and will take it in June. Letting her just wing it to evaluate where she is.
Pics? Freshmen college girls be all kinds of nasty
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:39 pm to tiger91
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I graduated hs in 1987 .. took advanced math my senior year and had a ton of trig. In fact, when I took math 1022 I believe it was I aced that without any problem whatsoever. I remember the professor asking my class (filled with people from my high school) "Where did you people go to school??" He'd never had a class of all As with so little trouble. Either my teacher was ahead of the game or math curicculums have changed.
Sounds like you had a great teacher, some put forth more effort and she probably pushed y'all.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:39 pm to SuperSaint
And idk how old you are but I took it once back my junior year in high school, made a 24. I don't think it mattered WHAT we made back then so taking it again never crossed my mind either. We just had to have a score.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:40 pm to tiger91
Aren't you the helicopter mom that always post about your kid's wellbeing and everything else on the OT?
Apologize if I have you confused with someone else.
Apologize if I have you confused with someone else.
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