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re: KickAss Torrent Site Seized
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:28 pm to LSU Coyote
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:28 pm to LSU Coyote
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The quality is usually terrible.
Wanna know how you can stream with good quality? Pay for a service that is authorized to distribute content legally.
There are a ton of sources now, and people still justify their theft/infringement as though they are some Robin Hood. These same people probably deplore the redistribution of their income though.
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:30 pm to Korkstand
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Have you checked pricing on this? It's absurd. TV shows are priced so that people might fill in an occasional show here and there. They are priced to protect cable package pricing, not as an alternative to it. They generally run about $3 per hour of content, which is close to $300/month for the average viewer. And that's assuming everyone in the house watches the same shows. Meanwhile Netflix has set the bar at $10/month for unlimited viewing.
Playstation VUE has 100 channels for $44/month. HULU is like $8/month.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:33 pm to ULSU
quote:Yes, both excellent services and worth the price IMO, but we were talking about buying shows a la carte via Amazon/Google Play/whatever.
Playstation VUE has 100 channels for $44/month. HULU is like $8/month.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:35 pm to McCaigBro69
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Dammit, where will I get my full length porn movies now????
Xmoviesforyou dot com
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:35 pm to Korkstand
That model will never work. There would be about 10 channels that could afford to produce content. We (the consumer) have forced the change we've mostly wanted, and now should abide by the legal distribution models that exist.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:41 pm to Korkstand
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Have you checked pricing on this? It's absurd. TV shows are priced so that people might fill in an occasional show here and there. They are priced to protect cable package pricing, not as an alternative to it. They generally run about $3 per hour of content, which is close to $300/month for the average viewer. And that's assuming everyone in the house watches the same shows. Meanwhile Netflix has set the bar at $10/month for unlimited viewing.
That doesn't even make sense as a response to what I said. What the hell are you talking about? How does this justify pirating?
Have you checked the price of streaming services? Netflix is about $10/month. Amazon video is about $10/month. An antenna is a one time investment of less than $20. Hulu is also like $9 if you really care about catching the network type shows as they come out, which I don't. If you want to watch game of thrones or whatever then you can subscribe to HBO NOW the month after the season is done airing and watch it in that month for $15. The only hitch is sports that come on ESPN and other specialty sports channels which pirating isn't helping you with anyway. I haven't used it, but I saw you can subscribe to sling for like $25 for a package that includes ESPN, so even that is taken care of. Mix and match ror whatever content you want. I don't know where you are paying $3 for an hour of content, but you are getting hosed.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:45 pm to Korkstand
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Yes, both excellent services and worth the price IMO, but we were talking about buying shows a la carte via Amazon/Google Play/whatever.
No, we aren't. You're bringing this up as a total non sequitur.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:48 pm to ULSU
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It's not the same. You should pay for HBO if you want to watch their content in your home and on your devices. If you want to go watch at a friend's house that does pay for HBO, then fine. The fact that you don't have to miss an episode of your favorite show does not mean you aren't stealing it. That sound pretty entitled. I don't really give a frick what you're doing, but don't try and convince yourself that it's right.
The CEO of HBO actually said he was ok with people sharing their HBO logins so everyone could watch, I am not kidding.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:48 pm to ULSU
quote:Netflix is pumping out high quality shows at an excellent price. And they even have to pay for the infrastructure to deliver it. And they still make money.
That model will never work.
quote:I fail to see the downside. Besides, the point is channels should go away.
There would be about 10 channels that could afford to produce content.
quote:Huh? Consumers have been forced into the cable model because there is no viable legal alternative for most things.
We (the consumer) have forced the change we've mostly wanted
quote:We are talking about a business model, which isn't something we have to or should abide by. Business models die all the time. And it's time for this one to die.
and now should abide by the legal distribution models that exist.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:54 pm to lsu480
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The CEO of HBO actually said he was ok with people sharing their HBO logins so everyone could watch, I am not kidding.
No, he didn't. He said it isn't affecting their profits much, and that they are looking at ways to "affect" password sharing. He was being nice, but if it is no big deal, why does he say they are looking at how to curb the practice?
Not at all what you said:
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HBO NOW, which lets people subscribe to HBO via the Internet for the first time. "We look at it very carefully," Plepler said in an interview with CNNMoney, but "right now password sharing is just simply not a big number." "Should it become a big number, we will deal with it," he added. "We will change the number of concurrent streams that are available. But right now, the number really isn't significant."
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:54 pm to Peazey
they're still paying adam sandler 20 million a movie for his garbage. I will pirate and encourage the rest of you to as well until our efforts resolve this. its a matter of principle
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:58 pm to Korkstand
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I fail to see the downside. Besides, the point is channels should go away.
Some should, but I like shows on about 25 channels. It works better for me (and many many people) to share in payment for channels than to try and pay for everything a la carte.
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Huh? Consumers have been forced into the cable model because there is no viable legal alternative for most things.
You just acknowledged that there are non cable services that you can use now. Hulu, Netflix, HBO NOw, Playstation VUE, Sling TV......
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We are talking about a business model, which isn't something we have to or should abide by.
Says who? That is a pretty entitled viewpoint. Do we just get to decide that groceries should be free too? I mean, it's not my fault the store has overhead to pay for. I should just get to pay the same price for a head of lettuce that they do. Right?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:04 am to skullopener
TPB is way more resilient than KAT
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:10 am to ULSU
My entire point is that the steaming services have made it to where access is a la cart. You can use HBO's content by itself for a reasonable price. Same for showtime. Everything else is available in a way that is so varied and on demand that you can mix and match to whatever your preferences are. Whatever you want is convenient and reasonably priced from one of the services. The model that people thought justified pirating is near death. It's time to come up with another excuse for wanting free shite.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:14 am to Peazey
quote:I had to get off mobile and fire up the laptop to reply to this.
Peazey
quote:My response is the only thing that makes sense in response to what you were referring to - purchasing exactly what you want a la carte. A typical 20-something episode season of a half-hour (22 minutes of content) show runs about $20-30. Being generous, 24 episodes at 22 minutes is about 9 hours, which works out to about $2.25/hr on the low end and $3+/hr on the high end. I was also being generous estimating 100 hours of content per month, when the average adult actually watches over 120 hours per month.
That doesn't even make sense as a response to what I said. What the hell are you talking about?
So, under the current model, buying exactly the content you want (like you said) will run you about $300/month. So I have to ask - what the hell are you talking about?
quote:I wasn't justifying pirating, I was justifying anger towards the TV industry.
How does this justify pirating?
quote:Yep, yep, yep, all that is is great, except for...
Have you checked the price of streaming services? Netflix is about $10/month. Amazon video is about $10/month. An antenna is a one time investment of less than $20. Hulu is also like $9 if you really care about catching the network type shows as they come out, which I don't. If you want to watch game of thrones or whatever then you can subscribe to HBO NOW the month after the season is done airing and watch it in that month for $15. The only hitch is sports that come on ESPN and other specialty sports channels which pirating isn't helping you with anyway. I haven't used it, but I saw you can subscribe to sling for like $25 for a package that includes ESPN, so even that is taken care of.
quote:I have to assume you haven't done nearly as much research as I have on the topic. SlingTV/Vue/etc. are at the mercy of the networks as far as on-demand and DVR capability go, so if you miss the live airing you can very easily miss your viewing window on many things. DVR'd shows fall off of Vue after a month (Hulu is similar for many shows with their rolling 5 episode limitation). I believe Sling is worse than those two as far as what you're able to save. Amazon and Netflix are great, but clearly you can't watch "exactly whatever content you want" on those two. HBO NOW is also great (if a little pricey), but obviously their catalog is limited as well. CBS is using a similar direct-to-consumer model.
Mix and match ror whatever content you want.
But the ONLY way to currently do what YOU said ("purchase exactly whatever content you want") is to do what I said: buy seasons of the shows you want via Amazon/Google Play/whatever. This is actually the only way to watch many shows on your own schedule. And the pricing sucks. Do you think ONE season of ONE show is worth the same as TWO months of Netflix or Hulu?
quote:I'm not paying it, but that's the pricing consumers are currently being given for buying a great number of shows to be watched on their own schedule. And I agree, buyers are getting hosed.
I don't know where you are paying $3 for an hour of content, but you are getting hosed.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:14 am to skullopener
damnit
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:21 am to CtotheVrzrbck
Do some of you literally care this much about people using torrents and sharing login info lol
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:22 am to Korkstand
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My response is the only thing that makes sense in response to what you were referring to - purchasing exactly what you want a la carte. A typical 20-something episode season of a half-hour (22 minutes of content) show runs about $20-30. Being generous, 24 episodes at 22 minutes is about 9 hours, which works out to about $2.25/hr on the low end and $3+/hr on the high end. I was also being generous estimating 100 hours of content per month, when the average adult actually watches over 120 hours per month.
So, under the current model, buying exactly the content you want (like you said) will run you about $300/month. So I have to ask - what the hell are you talking about?
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Oh, so you mean bundling content actually does make it cheaper for the consumer huh?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:25 am to ULSU
quote:If it was really better for you (and many many people), then cable companies wouldn't do it that way. It's better for them, not for you. I promise.
Some should, but I like shows on about 25 channels. It works better for me (and many many people) to share in payment for channels than to try and pay for everything a la carte.
quote:Yeah, those are a great start. And you know how the old cable business model is responding? They are fighting really hard to roll out data caps to limit the feasibility of using these alternative services, in order to force consumers back into the old model. The business model is dying. We should let it (if not force it).
You just acknowledged that there are non cable services that you can use now. Hulu, Netflix, HBO NOw, Playstation VUE, Sling TV......
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Says who? That is a pretty entitled viewpoint.
What? It's not my viewpoint that's entitled. I'm saying the TV industry isn't entitled to our dollars for putting out a product that fewer and fewer people want. quote:
Do we just get to decide that groceries should be free too? I mean, it's not my fault the store has overhead to pay for. I should just get to pay the same price for a head of lettuce that they do. Right?
What? Here, let me help you with your analogy: When you go to the grocery store, are you forced to buy tomatoes and salad dressing when you buy lettuce? Or can you, you know, just buy the things you want and leave the rest on the shelf?
I have a feeling that if enough people start busting open those salad bundles and running off with just the lettuce, then the grocery store might start offering to sell us just the lettuce. Begging for them to do so hasn't worked.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:27 am to McCaigBro69
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some of you literally care this much about people using torrents and sharing login info lol
Not really. What sets me off is the sense of entitlement shown when people say, "oh, they're ripping me off anyway so I am going to just take what I want" and then claim that they aren't doing anything wrong.
If people were like, "frick it, I steal that shite because I don't feel like paying", I'd probably not even respond.
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