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re: New Tacoma - is it worth it?
Posted on 11/5/15 at 4:47 pm to N2cars
Posted on 11/5/15 at 4:47 pm to N2cars
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I think he may be talking about CR, but honestly, I really don't know what magazine subscriptions have to do with anything.
Consumer Reports has similar findings, and they collect data from their subscribers. We use them for everything from home appliances to automobiles.
BTW, they also don't recommend the Toyota Tacoma, which is actually their lowest rated pickup truck of any size.
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Posted on 11/5/15 at 4:51 pm to WHATDOINO
They sold more because they made more
GM probably could have sold double that if they could have produced them
GM probably could have sold double that if they could have produced them
Posted on 11/5/15 at 4:51 pm to tankyank13
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Ive priced used trucks and id say they all hold their value quite well in today's environment.
This is true. I believe the slow down in pickup truck sales during the recession has limited supply of 3-6 year old models, driving the prices up significantly. Also, the rapid climb in vehicle prices contribute to increased demand for used models as a substitute for new models, which also impacts price.
In many cases, factory rebates make new trucks just slightly more expensive than a slightly used version. Silverados and F150s are becoming expensive vehicles both new and used.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 4:53 pm to BoostAddict
I agree, but the Tacoma is a helluva lot nicer to drive across the country to get to the mountains in. I'm pretty good with the trail guidebooks and don't bite off more than I can chew.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 4:54 pm to member12
Here's what I mean by this, nearly all of jd powers studies come from very flawed techniques.
Like this one
They have these 230 question surveys they send out and will NOT release the actual numbers and findings to anyone
The dependability survey if we looked today for 2015 ONLY accounts for the 2012 models
I'm just saying, when it comes to studies and surveys, jd powers has benefits, yes, but it's very flawed to use as your reasoning.
Like this one
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The Initial Quality Study gathers information from owners 90 days after purchase. “For the most part, models stay reliable," Sargent says. "The best prediction of long-term reliability is short-term quality. That is what we would use to forecast what the likely reliability would be. It’s just a prediction. It’s not a guarantee.”
They have these 230 question surveys they send out and will NOT release the actual numbers and findings to anyone
The dependability survey if we looked today for 2015 ONLY accounts for the 2012 models
I'm just saying, when it comes to studies and surveys, jd powers has benefits, yes, but it's very flawed to use as your reasoning.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 4:55 pm to Croacka
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They sold more because they made more
GM probably could have sold double that if they could have produced them
Seriously?
I am not even going to respond to this
And yes, vette guy, I should have broken my comment down better for magazine subscriptions, consumer reports is very flawed in findings as is jd powers.
I agree with points of what you're saying, but the beauty of toyota is they don't change every year to spice it up.
You get a rock solid vehicle that you know will be there and will work for what you bought it for.
They also have a following that knows this and people will pay for it because they know what they are buying
This post was edited on 11/5/15 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 11/5/15 at 4:58 pm to WHATDOINO
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They have these 230 question surveys they send out and will NOT release the actual numbers and findings to anyone
Typically, marketing research companies charge big bucks to companies to access their more in-depth findings.
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it's very flawed to use as your reasoning.
If you want unbiased market research of any degree of product quality or consumer satisfaction, it will involve surveys. Nothing is perfect, but it's a source widely used by industry leaders and is the most credible source produced in this thread by a very long shot.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 4:59 pm to WHATDOINO
Someone quoted earlier that GM admitted that they couldn't keep up with production
Do you not think that effects the sales numbers?
Do you not think that effects the sales numbers?
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:02 pm to Croacka
Have you looked at the sales of midsize vehicles for the past 15 years? The Colorado and canyon have already closed up shop once. They are doing much better as of now but come on man
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:04 pm to Croacka
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GM probably could have sold double that if they could have produced them
This might be true. They've added a 3rd shift and still can't meet demand.
LINK
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That's why GM is adding a third shift at the Wentzville, Missouri, plant that builds the Colorado. Officials expect the truck to be "sold out" soon, Sweeney said.
Ironically, the move to develop all new mid sized trucks was heavily criticized at the time. The sales of the Canyon and Colorado have exceeded even the wildest expectations. Their average transaction prices are the best in their market segment as well.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:05 pm to WHATDOINO
I was referring to your post about the 2015 sales and how Toyota sold more in 2015
Really not concerned about the past 15 years. We are talking about the present models.
Really not concerned about the past 15 years. We are talking about the present models.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:07 pm to Croacka
Tacoma sold 30,000 vehicles in august alone. 125,0000 so far through this year to only 70,000 combined for gm
Also, if it could be sold out soon, means they haven't sold what they have made
Also, if it could be sold out soon, means they haven't sold what they have made
This post was edited on 11/5/15 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:10 pm to WHATDOINO
Like I said, GM is doing all they can to increase supply to meet demand
They heavily underestimated it.
Who knows what their hypothetical sales numbers could actually be
I'm not saying they would beat tacomas, but I'm saying the numbers don't tell the whole story.
They heavily underestimated it.
Who knows what their hypothetical sales numbers could actually be
I'm not saying they would beat tacomas, but I'm saying the numbers don't tell the whole story.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:18 pm to Croacka
All good man.
I'm done with gm and it will take much more than the flavor of the month with them to change my mind.
They left that segment for dead a few years back and went to shite. Forgive me if I don't jump right back on the bandwagon with them. Lol
But talking vehicles with guys is like talking religion. You're set in your yours and I'm set in mine.
All good
I'm done with gm and it will take much more than the flavor of the month with them to change my mind.
They left that segment for dead a few years back and went to shite. Forgive me if I don't jump right back on the bandwagon with them. Lol
But talking vehicles with guys is like talking religion. You're set in your yours and I'm set in mine.
All good
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:20 pm to WHATDOINO
I'm a ford guy actually so I don't really have a dog in the race
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:23 pm to Croacka
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a ford guy
Haha. Not going there.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:31 pm to Croacka
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I'm a ford guy actually so I don't really have a dog in the race
Ford is finally bring the Ranger to the American market after seeing the success of the GM twins (and possibly the weak response by Toyota). It will take a few years, but the truck will be built in Michigan. Buyers will have yet another option, so hopefully this puts downward pressure on pricing.
I think that with the widespread shift of mid sized SUVs to unit-body chassis, I think male buyers have limited options in that segment. One of them is mid sized pickups. I'd like to see a real SUV based on the Colorado and Ranger debut soon.
I thought that VW would bring the Amarok to the US market, but after their more recent scandals, I think they'll be playing it very conservatively for a while. The Amarok and Ranger compete with the Holden/Chevrolet Colorado and Toyota Hilux in overseas markets.
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But talking vehicles with guys is like talking religion. You're set in your yours and I'm set in mine.
Actually Vette provided scientific data from an independent source. Your outrage in response to that was more characteristic of a person attacking your religious belief. I've seen it in some of the Texas A&M threads. Cults are real.
This post was edited on 11/5/15 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:36 pm to goofball
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Looks like the GMC Sierra and Chevy Colorado are very, very close (from your own link)in resale value after 60 months of ownership.
Those trucks just came out. 5 year resale is nothing but speculation on them. Tacoma has proven to hold its value. I'd be surprised if the GM options can do the same. Their full size trucks don't.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:38 pm to goofball
That's what I'm getting at. Those surveys and reports are ALL seriously flawed. They also give reliability reports for a vehicle like that and it hasn't even been long enough to gauge
It's crazy and useless to argue these things though. Everyone is set in their ways and beliefs because daddy told them gmc and ford was better
Gmc has already dropped the midsize market once and what's to stop them from them from doing it again
It's crazy and useless to argue these things though. Everyone is set in their ways and beliefs because daddy told them gmc and ford was better
Gmc has already dropped the midsize market once and what's to stop them from them from doing it again
This post was edited on 11/5/15 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:56 pm to AUTimbo
Yeah, obviously you didn't check out the '16 Taco before you bought, too bad. It's much better than the GM twins. The new interiors of the GM's are still typical plasticky parts bin specials.
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