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re: Rottweiler kills 70 yr old owner
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:58 pm to tigerinthebueche
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:58 pm to tigerinthebueche
quote:Risk management = fear? What a bizarre take.
I couldn't stand to live a life in fear analyzing every move I made based on risk management.
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:00 pm to shspanthers
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more prevalent than many might think.
but, yes, i'm all for banning the breeding and buying of pit bulls and Rottweilers.
According to the statistics you posted, Rottweilers were responsible for 45 deaths within a 12 year period. If you find that concerning, and think Rottweilers should be banned because of it, then you will have a long list of other things to be banned that could be held responsible for far greater fatality rates.
ETA: You should stop leaving your house, as that within itself is more dangerous than owning a Rottweiler.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:02 pm to PureBlood
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Midnight tennis ball chasing would've prevented this
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:22 pm to tigerinthebueche
It’s not living in fear. I like dogs. There are hundreds of breeds to choose from. It’s not difficult to stay away from the ones that can potentially kill you or someone else.
I have a gun for personal protection. I don’t need a dog for that.
Also Utilizing Risk Management, best case and worst case scenario, risk vs reward is just the smart thing to do especially if there is a potential life/death aspect to a decision.
I have a gun for personal protection. I don’t need a dog for that.
Also Utilizing Risk Management, best case and worst case scenario, risk vs reward is just the smart thing to do especially if there is a potential life/death aspect to a decision.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:33 pm to 3PieceSpicy
If you asked any Rottweiler owner that I've known if they felt at risk or felt rewarded by having a great dog, everyone would tell you the latter. You must live an extremely boring life.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:49 pm to Buck_Rogers
quote:Well, they certainly would have a skewed perspective on the risks.
If you asked any Rottweiler owner that I've known if they felt at risk or felt rewarded by having a great dog, everyone would tell you the latter. You must live an extremely boring life.
But, like he said - there are so many other breeds, why have this one?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:59 pm to Big Scrub TX
Because when bred and raised properly, they make outstanding dogs. Pulling up a statistic that says Rottweilers are responsible for less than 4 deaths per year (without giving the details of what exactly happened or how these dogs were treated) only reinforces my thought that every Rottweiler I've ever met were outstanding pets.
ETA: Just doing a quick search on Rottweiler related deaths, almost everyone involves the dog breaking free of its chain or cage in the backyard. These dogs were not bred to be locked up on chains or in cages. It causes aggression. The owners should be responsible.
ETA: Just doing a quick search on Rottweiler related deaths, almost everyone involves the dog breaking free of its chain or cage in the backyard. These dogs were not bred to be locked up on chains or in cages. It causes aggression. The owners should be responsible.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/8/22 at 6:33 am to Buck_Rogers
quote:I don't give a frick if you believe me or not, but that was what I was told by some of the employees and the owner herself. As far as "SUPER Aggressive", I saw that 1st hand with the way they were acting as we walked by, on the way to a different part of the kennel. I commented on their aggression to the employee, and he led me to believe we would have a very bad day if they were let out.
I don't believe you. German ADRK standards would not allow these dogs to be bred, as the standards are placed very heavily on temperament, which must be evaluated before any Rottweiler is bred in Germany.
BTW, It is commonly known that Pits are #1 in reported dog bites and deaths. Care to guess what breed sits in the the #2 spot?
Posted on 6/8/22 at 6:37 am to Buck_Rogers
quote:Well, we can't exactly ask the 70 y/o woman in the story that the OP posted, can we.
If you asked any Rottweiler owner that I've known if they felt at risk or felt rewarded by having a great dog, everyone would tell you the latter. You must live an extremely boring life.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 6:51 am to 3PieceSpicy
I disagree with your general premise but to provide you a response to your direct impression:
A rott can be trained to be a much more effective guard dog than a lab, ergo, can provide more safety for mother and child.
Instead of just looking at the potential for negative, open your eyes to the potential for positive.
A rott can be trained to be a much more effective guard dog than a lab, ergo, can provide more safety for mother and child.
Instead of just looking at the potential for negative, open your eyes to the potential for positive.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 6:51 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:Reason and logic have no place here. There's a reason why most homeowner's insurance won't write a policy if it is known that you own certain breeds.
It’s not living in fear. I like dogs. There are hundreds of breeds to choose from. It’s not difficult to stay away from the ones that can potentially kill you or someone else.
I have a gun for personal protection. I don’t need a dog for that.
Also Utilizing Risk Management, best case and worst case scenario, risk vs reward is just the smart thing to do especially if there is a potential life/death aspect to a decision.
Even the smartest dog, is still a dog with very limited intelligence. If a Lab, or Poodle makes a mistake on a perceived threat, the outcome is likely inconsequential. Other breeds, known for aggression, powerful biting, and overall strength, on the other hand, we are talking about major trauma and/or death. But hey, I can't even start to imagine the feelings of inadequacies someone must possess, that feels the need to have one of these breeds as a family pet.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 6:56 am to 3PieceSpicy
It’s a trash thing, rottie owners are second to breed of peace owners for trash
Posted on 6/8/22 at 7:06 am to greygoose
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But hey, I can't even start to imagine the feelings of inadequacies someone must possess, that feels the need to have one of these breeds as a family pet.
And I can't even start to imagine how inadequate you must be in life to think this way.
I worked at a vet many years ago. A trainer brought in 2 dobermans. Very well behaved and sociable....until they were placed inside a closed fence. Immediately, they were on "duty" and would maim anyone other than their trainer. Once we placed them inside a kennel, they remained until their trainer could return.
Dogs can be trained to fulfill a purpose. For many, that purpose is companionship. For others, they are put to work. People can boast about having a gun for personal protection but in most cases, a good guard dog will be more effective and safer.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 7:22 am to Milesahead
I love me some rotties. I bred them for a while. I had 5 of them living in the house with me. Never felt safer in my life.
Got my first one after someone kicked in my front door and stole my TV. I never had that fricking problem again with rotties in the house.
They are very good dogs and extremely loyal beyond an average dog. They are 1 owner dogs and do not lend themselves to strangers like say a lab does.
If I had them out of the house they were nice. When at home or in the back yard they were in their domain and protecting their property. You were good at my house as long as we were home.
I also put the dogs in crates if kids were over and I kept an eye out like a hawk on them.
Got my first one after someone kicked in my front door and stole my TV. I never had that fricking problem again with rotties in the house.
They are very good dogs and extremely loyal beyond an average dog. They are 1 owner dogs and do not lend themselves to strangers like say a lab does.
If I had them out of the house they were nice. When at home or in the back yard they were in their domain and protecting their property. You were good at my house as long as we were home.
I also put the dogs in crates if kids were over and I kept an eye out like a hawk on them.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 7:34 am to Milesahead
quote:My firearms aren't going to jump out of my nightstand drawer and shoot the UPS man, meter reader, or a kid riding their bike down the side walk. I could post link after link, to stories very similar to the OPs where someone's "good dog" attacked, maimed, and/or killed someone who the dog perceived as a threat. Keep in mind, this whole thread was started over a story about an old lady being killed by the Rottweilers that SHE OWNED! If you feel the need to own large, aggressive dogs that can easily kill a human being, then you must live in a very bad place, or you over compensating for some short coming. My dogs alert me when they perceive something/someone is around my home. It's then my decision to take whatever action that is appropriate. My dogs make no distinction between the pizza delivery guy or a trespasser. One I'd be happy to see, the other, not so much and would be met with a whole different attitude. Sorry, but finding myself facing criminal charges and being sued into bankruptcy isn't a position I would want, therefore I'll stick with a breed that is not likely to severely hurt a kid that doesn't think anything is wrong about retrieving his ball from the other side of my fence.
Dogs can be trained to fulfill a purpose. For many, that purpose is companionship. For others, they are put to work. People can boast about having a gun for personal protection but in most cases, a good guard dog will be more effective and safer.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:02 am to greygoose
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I don't give a frick if you believe me or not
Your post says otherwise.
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on the way to a different part of the kennel
Again, Rottweilers were not bred to be held in cages. It causes aggression.
quote:
Care to guess what breed sits in the the #2 spot?
Why don't you pull up the statistics for Germany, and I bet the statistics change. So, is it the breed of dog; or poor breeding standards along with not properly socializing while young and numerous other poor practices? Just because some hillbilly is cranking out oversized Rottweilers, with bad temperaments, that really don't even adhere to the standards, does not make the breed standard "dangerous".
Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:05 am to REB BEER
With an uninjured kid.
Did granny discipline the kids in front of the dog?
Did granny discipline the kids in front of the dog?
Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:18 am to Napoleon
More to this unfortunate story I am almost certain.
Had Rotts and they were great. If I was looking for them in the house the best place to look was where the kid was. Including what I thought was cool, this one particular Rott would sleep under the baby bed if kid was sleeping. When we would go for a walk in the subdivision if we were approached by neighbors the dog(s) would get between stroller and other people. Total instinct. No growling or aggression just setting the red line. And if you had a stupid dog that wanted to jump on everyone the Rott kept that in check.
Had Rotts and they were great. If I was looking for them in the house the best place to look was where the kid was. Including what I thought was cool, this one particular Rott would sleep under the baby bed if kid was sleeping. When we would go for a walk in the subdivision if we were approached by neighbors the dog(s) would get between stroller and other people. Total instinct. No growling or aggression just setting the red line. And if you had a stupid dog that wanted to jump on everyone the Rott kept that in check.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 8:19 am
Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:46 am to TeaParty
Rotties are the best dogs. I don't care who ya are.
They are scary though...if they are not your dog. Kind of the point of a guard dog.
They are scary though...if they are not your dog. Kind of the point of a guard dog.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 8:52 am
Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:48 am to Sasquatch Smash
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I guess he was a very bad Boyd.
Snacking on little Debbie?
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