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re: Silent Night Surprise in Time Square
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:05 am to northshorebamaman
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:05 am to northshorebamaman
And the "tracking down old members" stuff is exaggerated. I'm an ex-member and it amounts to missionaries knocking on my door every few years and inviting me to church. I tell them no thanks, we might chit-chat for two minutes, and they go on their way.
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Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:11 am to Rouge
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To give you a timeline comparison, the writing of the Gospels and the "quotes" for Jesus of Nazareth is comparable to writing a book about George Washington where no transcripts exist and trying to quote the man today. You know who else thinks everyone else is wrong and is doomed to eternal hellfire? Radical Muslims. My God is not that narrow-minded. Sucks that yours is.
You’re free to reject the Word of Christ and it looks like you have chosen to. God gives us the free will to do so. I’m sorry it makes you angry I chose differently than you.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:15 am to nola tiger lsu
Mormons are not Christians. They can say whatever they want, but that doesn’t make it so. It is like a guy claiming to be a lady. It simply can’t be.
Aside from their strange space alien stuff and the fact that their founder found a book in the ground that said he could have multiple wives (how convenient for him), they do not hold a trinitarian view that is the basis for all Christianity.
Aside from their strange space alien stuff and the fact that their founder found a book in the ground that said he could have multiple wives (how convenient for him), they do not hold a trinitarian view that is the basis for all Christianity.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:30 am to Tempratt
Religion aside, it’s pretty incredible to see busy, loud Times Square quiet and still as people are mesmerized by the presentation.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:35 am to SaintTiger80
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SaintTiger80
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I'm Mormon
Do you wear the sacred Mormon blessed underwear?
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:39 am to Rouge
quote:this is a terrible comparison and shows your ignorance on the subject matter.
To give you a timeline comparison, the writing of the Gospels and the "quotes" for Jesus of Nazareth is comparable to writing a book about George Washington where no transcripts exist and trying to quote the man today.
the time span between the original new testament transcripts (written within a lifetime of Jesus Christ's death) and the copies of those transcripts is less than a hundred years. we have over five and a half thousand original copies of the new testament transcripts, and they're over 99.5% accurate between the copies.
know how long the time span between the original and copied transcripts of Plato is? 1200 years. know how many copies there are? seven. I'd imagine you take any writing of Plato as the gospel truth, though, right? never questioned its veracity, right?
your take is factually and historically ignorant, but go off.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:44 am to Darth_Vader
It’s more like stories held on to through time by God rather than another’s Biography. But that’s not the point - your belief is old too - it’s the doctrine of demons from the beginning meant to counterfeit and deceive. Your God is the God is this world, not the High and Lofty One who inhabits eternity whose name is Holy.
Some would rather die in your lie than face the truth. The truth is there is one way, in Christ, and yours isn’t it. Don’t die in your hellfire. Reconsider. Search out and See the truth: other beliefs have no way for men to be reconciled to God - it’s only hope for them. There is only one way to know it and that’s the True God in you, in Christ Jesus. Don’t die in your lie.
Some would rather die in your lie than face the truth. The truth is there is one way, in Christ, and yours isn’t it. Don’t die in your hellfire. Reconsider. Search out and See the truth: other beliefs have no way for men to be reconciled to God - it’s only hope for them. There is only one way to know it and that’s the True God in you, in Christ Jesus. Don’t die in your lie.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 10:28 am
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:45 am to mudshuvl05
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mudshuvl05
You are correct on a timeline that I worded wrong.
The Gospels that are on the Bible, 4 of dozens that were written, received the approved votes from the Council of Nicea hundreds of years later.
The "approved" Gospels were written anywhere from 35-75 years after the death of Jesus. They were also first written in Greek. As such, they were not eyewitness accounts of the time.
Is that better?
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 9:47 am
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:47 am to Rouge
I’m not a churchgoer, period. Despite my not being a member of any organized faith, I am a very good person.
I live around many Mormons, and they are great neighbors and have not tried to convert me. When my husband died, one neighbor mowed my yard for weeks until I found/hired a yard service. One winter a heavy wet snow toppled a huge pine tree in my yard , luckily missing my house ! My neighbor called and asked if I would like him to get some friends together and take care of it. Yes, please! Within an hour there were my neighbor, his son, and half dozen strangers in my yard in a foot of snow…ruining their chainsaw blades on a sappy live, but fallen, pine tree. They cut the branches off, cut the trunk into sections, stacked it out of the way, having left their warm cozy houses to help out someone most of them didn’t even know. I was not refused help because I was not Mormon.
I could go on.
I don’t particularly like the religion itself, but I can’t say I like catholic religion, Baptist religion and so on….And just what are those money grubbing mega church Joel Osteen type "religions" anyway?
Anther neighbor asked me several time if I would like to go a ladies program at the church in our neighborhood, and all the ladies brought dishes. I went, hey, free meal and someone else’s recipes! My first visit was tentative, I figured I would get the hard Mormon sell…. BUt it wasn’t A speaker might drone on for 15 minutes, then we would eat and socialize and it was great!
One set of neighbors just texted to ask what I was doing for Christmas, inviting me to spend Christmas Eve with them, then going to their families house with them on Christmas Day. I told them I was flying home for Christmas, and they asked what time they needed to take me to the airport. Not if I needed a ride, just what time to show up.
I think the majority of Mormons are happy with their religion and are good people. There are instances where leaving the church is difficult due to church and family pressure, and I hate that. Religion is big business and I mistrust them equally. Only small town churches, who are a community center and resource and serve their members , are admirable. Their umbrella organizations are usually corrupt and untrustworthy AFAIC.
There are good and bad people in the world of every religion, but by and large, I think Mormons are far kinder, and open to outsiders, than I was led to believe before I moved into their midst.
I live around many Mormons, and they are great neighbors and have not tried to convert me. When my husband died, one neighbor mowed my yard for weeks until I found/hired a yard service. One winter a heavy wet snow toppled a huge pine tree in my yard , luckily missing my house ! My neighbor called and asked if I would like him to get some friends together and take care of it. Yes, please! Within an hour there were my neighbor, his son, and half dozen strangers in my yard in a foot of snow…ruining their chainsaw blades on a sappy live, but fallen, pine tree. They cut the branches off, cut the trunk into sections, stacked it out of the way, having left their warm cozy houses to help out someone most of them didn’t even know. I was not refused help because I was not Mormon.
I could go on.
I don’t particularly like the religion itself, but I can’t say I like catholic religion, Baptist religion and so on….And just what are those money grubbing mega church Joel Osteen type "religions" anyway?
Anther neighbor asked me several time if I would like to go a ladies program at the church in our neighborhood, and all the ladies brought dishes. I went, hey, free meal and someone else’s recipes! My first visit was tentative, I figured I would get the hard Mormon sell…. BUt it wasn’t A speaker might drone on for 15 minutes, then we would eat and socialize and it was great!
One set of neighbors just texted to ask what I was doing for Christmas, inviting me to spend Christmas Eve with them, then going to their families house with them on Christmas Day. I told them I was flying home for Christmas, and they asked what time they needed to take me to the airport. Not if I needed a ride, just what time to show up.
I think the majority of Mormons are happy with their religion and are good people. There are instances where leaving the church is difficult due to church and family pressure, and I hate that. Religion is big business and I mistrust them equally. Only small town churches, who are a community center and resource and serve their members , are admirable. Their umbrella organizations are usually corrupt and untrustworthy AFAIC.
There are good and bad people in the world of every religion, but by and large, I think Mormons are far kinder, and open to outsiders, than I was led to believe before I moved into their midst.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:54 am to Rouge
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Technically, all religions start as cults.
Anti-religion is a cult
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:55 am to Tempratt
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I know a Mormon guy that doesn’t consume caffeine.
My brother made it through medical school, residency, 6 kids, and a dozen years of practice without caffeine.
I’m worried he might be a Mormon.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:55 am to Geaux Tahel
Notice the EXPLORE LOUISIANA digital "billboards" a couple times?
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:23 am to Rouge
wrong again, on all fronts. stop watching Dan Brown movies, but if you do, you should understand that it's fiction.
Not one single piece of the early records from the council or eyewitnes attendees (eusebius or athanasius, paphnutius, etc.), mentions any decision to establish the canon. and that's just boiling it down for you in a simple, succinct statement that you can understand. you couldn't be more wrong, and your understanding of the first council of nicaea and its theological ramifications is, quite literally, pitiful. but again, go off.
you think you're on to something don't you? you just give the same old sad, false narratives that every one like you uses.
it's so funny with you atheists: it's the only religion in the world where its practitioners rail against a god that they don't even believe in. you don't realize that, while you regurgitate the same old lies and twisted narratives, that your worldview is the oxymoron of oxymorons.
Not one single piece of the early records from the council or eyewitnes attendees (eusebius or athanasius, paphnutius, etc.), mentions any decision to establish the canon. and that's just boiling it down for you in a simple, succinct statement that you can understand. you couldn't be more wrong, and your understanding of the first council of nicaea and its theological ramifications is, quite literally, pitiful. but again, go off.
quote:well that's it folks, Mrs. Rouge here has settled it! Why didn't anyone else think of this? Do you know how tired and common both of your forgeries of fact and truth are? Goodness, lady. Alexander's Hellenist political & societal conversion of the mediterranean and the near east is the reason it was written in greek: Greek was clearly the language to use in order to reach the largest audience, and that's just the beginning of both fallacies you've made up. Greek, not Hebrew, was the common language of palestine during the rule of the roman empire.
They were also first written in Greek. As such, they were not eyewitness accounts of the time.
you think you're on to something don't you? you just give the same old sad, false narratives that every one like you uses.
it's so funny with you atheists: it's the only religion in the world where its practitioners rail against a god that they don't even believe in. you don't realize that, while you regurgitate the same old lies and twisted narratives, that your worldview is the oxymoron of oxymorons.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:26 am to mudshuvl05
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this is a terrible comparison and shows your ignorance on the subject matter.
Atheists are bigger evangelists than Billy Graham was.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:26 am to mudshuvl05
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it's so funny with you atheists
You were doing so well until this.
Guess I'm just wearing this cross for nothing.
People can think and question religion and religious history with retaining faith.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:38 am to PikesPeak
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Polygamy was outlawed by the LDS in 1890
Only because they were threatened by the US Government. The practice actually went on secretly until the early 1900's.
And - they still believe in polygamy in heaven - according to Mormon doctrine when you are married in one of their temples you are "sealed" to your spouse forever. Men who remarry after the death of a spouse are considered married to both their original spouse and their new spouse for eternity. The current president ("prophet") of the LDS Church is sealed to two women - he thinks he will have at least two wives in the next life. So, yes, Mormons believe in polygamy.
I had to resign from the LDS Church through an attorney so that I could get a legally enforced "do not contact" put in place otherwise, they will track you down and continually bother you about returning to church. I didn't want to deal with all that.
I'll add that yes, most every-day Mormons are pretty good people. However, its the leadership of the church/church headquarters that does not live by the standards they expect their members to live by.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 10:42 am
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:39 am to Rouge
quote:and you can be corrected on it, too.
People can think and question religion and religious history with retaining faith.
especially if you are within the church, and especially if you're questioning literal historical facts. we are not called to correct those outside of the church, we leave that up to God, but it's even worse if you're within the church and state these sad, old falsehoods. admonishment is what you should expect when truth and fact within the church is being distorted.
I went through atheism, trusted nothing, believed nothing, and questioned everything, but right is right, and historical fact is fact: you're not questioning anything, you're repeating falsehoods and literal lies that are mutually incompatible with actual truth, and that could quite possibly cause others to stumble.
and so, for that, you are not above reproach.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:40 am to Furious
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Mormons are not Christians. They can say whatever they want, but that doesn’t make it so
Again, who cares?
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:42 am to nola tiger lsu
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Mormons are not Christians. They can say whatever they want, but that doesn’t make it so
quote:ummmm...Christians?
Again, who cares?
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:45 am to nola tiger lsu
Mormons are Christian only in the sense that they believe Jesus exists. Its what they believe about Jesus that makes them different from the rest of Christianity.
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