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Posted on 2/24/14 at 9:55 am to
Posted by BAMAisDIESEL09
Member since Jul 2012
2658 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 9:55 am to
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Any chance he flew helicopters?


No.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 11:03 am
Posted by DesertTiger44
Fayetteville, NC
Member since Mar 2011
228 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 9:57 am to
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Lots of hash use. LOTS.


I can easily believe that. I have a hard time believing anyone was using heroin and functioning in combat though. I have seen guys have problems with alcohol, pills, coke etc but I've never seen anyone turn to heroin. I still have a hard time believing those contractors that OD'd weren't set up.
Posted by SuzukiGoat
Atchafalaya Basin
Member since Jan 2014
1086 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:00 am to
Guy I knew in Tennessee was 101... I watched him drink a case of beer and start in on the whiskey at a BBQ up there. We heard two men scream and then a woman scream in pain behind his back fence in the subdivision. Me and another guy ran for the gate, open it, only to see ***** crash through their glass patio door.

More screaming lots of hitting, when we get to the door, he's dragging one of the unconscious guys by his foot. The pair were beating the wife.

To this day, I have no idea how a bewilderingly intoxicated 40+ year old man made it through one back yard, over a six foot fence, through the other back yard, and literally through a glass door before I made it to the gate. Not to mention dispatched two sober guys who certainly wouldn't have been first on my list of people to fight.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20364 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:00 am to
Last post on the subject.

Maj Gen Batiste is/was a pussy.

Have a good day.
Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
29488 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:12 am to
It's hard for me to fault those men on whatever it takes to get them through a night but they certainly deserve better than a lifetime of drug addiction
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86713 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:41 am to
I would think it would be relatively uncommon for normal group and teams guys to use drugs during operations, but it wouldn't shock me if it was sometimes a necessity for Delta/DEVGRU/etc.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:13 am to
quote:

I would think it would be relatively uncommon for normal group and teams guys to use drugs during operations, but it wouldn't shock me if it was sometimes a necessity for Delta/DEVGRU/etc.


The only reason I could see them using would be during training in case they were forced to use in the field (if trying to blend in) and still function to complete a mission.

Imagining trying to set up C-4 under the hull of a ship after being up for 36 hours is tough but doing the same mission after a gram of coke would be impossible.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:35 am to
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but doing the same mission after a gram of coke would be impossible.


ehh, coke makes you function at a higher level. Would probably help in that situation.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86713 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:53 am to
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The only reason I could see them using would be during training in case they were forced to use in the field (if trying to blend in) and still function to complete a mission.


I don't think it is customary, for sure. But from my understanding, at some point, these SOC subsets have the ability to go from more "common" operations to something closer to soldier/federal LEO/intelligence officer hybrid situations, and who knows what kind of operational stuff they get into.

Obviously how true that is is beyond me, but we certainly know that these guys have been used in nonconventional ways before, so a situation in which one of them has to act as a narc of sorts wouldn't be that surprising.

But anyway, I think the far more common situation would be trying to go from that life to civilian life, or post-military life. I know those guys live a different version of military life than most to begin with, but going from that to being a normal guy, or even a contractor, is likely to mess with your head.

I'd suspect there is a fair amount of substance abuse among any group that achieves most of their life goals and excitement by 30 or 40 (or younger) and knows the rest of their life will likely be radically different (athletes, for example).
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