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Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:29 am to The Third Leg
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Because that is definitely what I was saying, bird brain.
you're the one that said "public" shithead. perhaps you should choose your words more wisely
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 8:31 am
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:29 am to TigerBait1127
quote:
Wait, you think the 80s and 90s were better than today?
Wait, you think they weren't? Because they were.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:30 am to Choctaw
So you really don't know what public means in this context? Sure seems to be the case. I do not wonder why we have arrived at this point because your ilk is prominent.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:31 am to The Third Leg
quote:
So you really don't know what public means in this context?
why don't you explain it to me Mr. MENSA
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:35 am to AnonymousTiger
For everyone participating in today's discussion I would just like to say bless you.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:38 am to Choctaw
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i'm sorry....i forgot that people are not allowed to make religious references in public anymore
The "discussion" doesn't have to be about religion at all. Student expression, religious or otherwise, is protected unless it can be reasonably foreseen that it will lead to substantial disruption on campus.
The teacher cannot "ban" that phrase simply because it may carry a religious connotation.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:39 am to brgfather129
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The teacher cannot "ban" that phrase simply because it may carry a religious connotation.
Was it the teacher's rule or the school's?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:40 am to Master of Sinanju
from what i can tell from the article, it was the teacher's
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:46 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Not necessarily. I'm not sure we are getting the whole story in the OP, but if the teacher instituted the rule because she wasn't going to allow the student have "godly" speech in her classroom, it probably is a constitutional issue. The teacher, assuming this is a public school, is a state actor and her limitation of speech and free exercise of religion must pass constitutional scrutiny.
This isn't a constitutional issue. This isn't a religious rights issue.
Aside from that religious issue, suspending kids for things like this is ridiculous. Other forms of discipline are much more reasonable.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 8:49 am
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:53 am to WDE24
quote:
Not necessarily. I'm not sure we are getting the whole story in the OP, but if the teacher instituted the rule because she wasn't going to allow the student have "godly" speech in her classroom, it probably is a constitutional issue. The teacher, assuming this is a public school, is a state actor and her limitation of speech and free exercise of religion must pass constitutional scrutiny.
As you said in your opening line, I think that may be the issue...but we're only getting the side of the story from a girl who seems clear was looking to get this done. If the teacher can argue that this was done to simply keep order and prevent students from constantly disrupting the class with bless you'd, then I don't see the issue here.
And, I'll ask again since no one seems interested in being pinned down...is this even a religious issue? Is saying bless you religious at it's heart? Is it merely a saying that has been secularized despite it's religious origins? Many here seem to think it's not religious...until they want to defend the girl, then it's a religious issue.
It's honestly difficult to debate the topic when I'm having to argue against both versions! haha
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:55 am to Wayne Campbell
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Maybe the other student didn't appreciate having her religious beliefs shoved down their throat.
By saying "Bless you"? GTFO. That is so fricking stupid.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:56 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
And, I'll ask again since no one seems interested in being pinned down...is this even a religious issue?
Both the teacher and the student seemed to think so, at least.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:57 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:I just read the whole article after my post. Seems like a case of a student trying too hard to create the issue and a teacher not smart enough to act reasonably.
but we're only getting the side of the story from a girl who seems clear was looking to get this done.
quote:You are trying too hard to pigeon hole the issue. It may be religious and heart felt to some, while others it is merely "good manners."
.is this even a religious issue? Is saying bless you religious at it's heart? Is it merely a saying that has been secularized despite it's religious origins? Many here seem to think it's not religious...until they want to defend the girl, then it's a religious issue.
The crux of the issue is more the teachers motivation for banning the phrase, imo.
But, having actually read the article, this is more two people (student and teacher) over reacting to a non issue.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:58 am to WDE24
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Aside from that religious issue, suspending kids for things like this is ridiculous. Other forms of discipline are much more reasonable.
With this I agree completely.
But...we're not getting the whole story. The girl may very well have been suspended for arguing with the teacher and administration and not for simply uttering some banned phrase. Agreed? Does anyone think she was suspended for saying this, anymore so than she would have been suspended for saying "I don't know?"
To me, this reads a little like an activist looking to take a stand...and she seems to have gotten what she wanted. Attention. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is pretty typical of all who do this sort of things regardless of which side if an issue they're on.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:58 am to brgfather129
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The "discussion" doesn't have to be about religion at all. Student expression, religious or otherwise, is protected unless it can be reasonably foreseen that it will lead to substantial disruption on campus.
I believe (but can't state for certain) that courts have held that spontaneous expression by students, most especially in the present case, is NOT the state (the school district) sponsoring religion. It's pathetically stupid to think that it is.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:58 am to AnonymousTiger
Some points:
It is not the student's constitutional right...
That is a stupid rule, but a classroom rule nonetheless...
I'm an atheist and I say "bless you" when people sneeze...
Progressive pussies are soooooo close to completely destroying the fabric of our country.
It is not the student's constitutional right...
That is a stupid rule, but a classroom rule nonetheless...
I'm an atheist and I say "bless you" when people sneeze...
Progressive pussies are soooooo close to completely destroying the fabric of our country.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:59 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Exactly.
this reads a little like an activist looking to take a stand...and she seems to have gotten what she wanted. Attention.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:59 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
the teacher can argue that this was done to simply keep order and prevent students from constantly disrupting the class with bless you'd
I'm pretty certain that would be the teacher's argument, especially if the student was yelling it out from across the room.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:00 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
To me, this reads a little like an activist looking to take a stand...and she seems to have gotten what she wanted. Attention. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is pretty typical of all who do this sort of things regardless of which side if an issue they're on.
If saying Bless You equates taking a stand, then it sounds like a stand needs to be made.
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