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Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:53 pm to
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:53 pm to
Blacks wonder why they get "harassed" by cops. Are you a black, Sao? Do you act like an anti-social jackass in real life like you do on the internet too? Because, I can tell you harbor a lot of resentment. Whitey isn't out to get you.

You know that the video shows, Hill, getting what he deserved, but you can't bring yourself to admit it. That's okay. We all know the truth.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:59 pm to
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Blacks wonder why they get "harassed" by cops. Are you a black, Sao? Do you act like an anti-social jackass in real life like you do on the internet too? Because, I can tell you harbor a lot of resentment. Whitey isn't out to get you.



Dang. This is gold.
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
6596 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:23 pm to
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He did not do a thing illegal after the stop.
bullshite. He didn't follow direction. And yes, in a timely manner matters. Could be the difference between life & death for the officer.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:26 pm to
Do their job, just once

It doesn’t matter until it does. Does he get pulled from car if window stayed down?
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:31 pm to
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bullshite. He didn't follow direction. And yes, in a timely manner matters. Could be the difference between life & death for the officer

He did nothing unlawful.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
33856 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:32 pm to
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He didn't follow direction.


Which direction and from which cop? There were multiple cops shouting orders at the time.

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And yes, in a timely manner matters.


Is 3 seconds timely? Because that's how long it was from the time they issued the order to step out until they decided to physically remove him

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Could be the difference between life & death for the officer.


Ok. but they'd already observed the inside of the vehicle (how else did the cop know his seatbelt was off?) At that time, they didn't see anything that warranted a safety concern, or at least they didn't articulate anything about safety. No typical officer safety commands like "Let me see your hands" or the like .And if safety was of such concern and why they removed him from the car, why didn't they frisk him after pulling him our of the vehicle?

Based on those known facts, I think a reasonable person would conclude that he wasn't removed for reasons of officer safety.
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 3:37 pm
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
6596 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:36 pm to
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Is 3 seconds timely?
It was untimely the fraction of the second he dumbassedly stopped the window short.
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
6596 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:37 pm to
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Ok. but they'd already observed the inside of the vehicle (how else did the cop know his seatbelt was off?) At that time, they didn't see anything that warranted a safety concern, or at least they didn't articulate anything about safety. No typical officer safety commands like "Let me see your hands" or the like .And if safety was of such concern and why they removed him from the car, why didn't they frisk him after pulling him our of the vehicle?
Because they could see the pistol he theoretically had under the seat that he was pulling out while the window is up?

All day long. Keep going.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:41 pm to
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Because they could see the pistol he theoretically had under the seat that he was pulling out while the window is up?


If that was the worry, wouldn't the appropriate officer command be "LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS!!!" That's not what they said, they said, "Roll your window down."

Also after they pulled him out of the car, the words of the officers were "You will do what we say." Not one word about safety were mentioned.

This was not about officer safety. It was about officer ego and a suspect not playing step it and fetch it fast enough for their liking. Unfortunately for them, they stepped over the law with their actions.

And without Reasonable Articulated Suspicion, cops can't work in the theoretical world...

Oh and, "All day" (At least until my doctor appt in 30 mins...)
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 3:43 pm
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
6596 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:43 pm to
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If that was the worry, wouldn't the appropriate officer command be "LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS!!!" That's not what they said, they said, "Roll your window down."
Because it makes perfect sense to ask to see someone's hands through tinted windows.

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Oh and, "All day" (At least until my doctor appt in 30 mins..
I am leaving work in 15 minutes so there is that.
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:46 pm to
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Because they could see the pistol he theoretically had under the seat that he was pulling out while the window is up?

All day long. Keep going.

They did not even ask if he had a weapon, search his body for one or the car he was driving and released to.

So, safety was their primary reason for detainment? Y or N
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
33856 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:48 pm to
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Because it makes perfect sense to ask to see someone's hands through tinted windows.


If you watch the video you can see his watch thru the reflection of the window. So the narrative about the officer not being able to see his hands is false.



"All day"
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 3:51 pm
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
6596 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:49 pm to
I'm not in their head but likely not initially. But when tinted windows start going up I'm sure it's on one's mind.

Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
40002 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:51 pm to
Wait, you’re saying because a bright reflective surface like a watch face is detectable through a heavily tinted window that the officer could distinguish exactly what a dark object gripped in Reek’s hand is easily, like a cellphone or gun? That’s what you are actually going with?
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:51 pm to

Not unlawful to roll up a window, doesn't matter how many times to try to rationalize it.
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
6596 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:52 pm to
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If you watch the video you can see his watch thru the reflection of the window. The the narrative about the officer not being able to see his hands is false.
Ha ha a shiny watch face is showing through tinted windows. But would a black man's hands or a black gun do so too?

Do you really want to play this game of how clear someone can see something (and 100% be certain as to what he is seeing) through tinted windows? You will lose.

All day long.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
40002 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:53 pm to
You keep repeating this and you keep being incorrect.
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
6596 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:53 pm to
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Not unlawful to roll up a window, doesn't matter how many times to try to rationalize it.
What did Eminem say? "You're saying the same thing meathead".

Nobody is debating that.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:55 pm to
So, Ricardo and now you decipher the law by emotion, conjecture and assumptions. This thread is, not kidding, pretty concerning.
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
33856 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:56 pm to
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Wait, you’re saying because a bright reflective surface like a watch face is detectable through a heavily tinted window that the officer could distinguish exactly what a dark object gripped in Reek’s hand is easily, like a cellphone or gun? That’s what you are actually going with?


What I'm saying is we are looking at an image captured by a camera, not what the officer actually saw. It is well known that the human eye has more dynamic range and more resolving power than all but the most expensive of cameras. If the relatively low resolution body cam can distinguish those details, what could the human eye resolve?

Again if the officer(s) were worried about their safety, why didn't they issue commands that protected their safety or look for cover/concealment? The command was "Roll your window down".
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 3:56 pm
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