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re: Was Erwin Rommel the greatest Nazi?
Posted on 2/16/16 at 7:41 am to The Boat
Posted on 2/16/16 at 7:41 am to The Boat
He never joined the party and did not permit his son to join the SS.
He was one of the few Hitler trusted who was not a member of the party.
It is clear that Oskar Schindler probably heads the short list of "good" Nazis.
He was one of the few Hitler trusted who was not a member of the party.
It is clear that Oskar Schindler probably heads the short list of "good" Nazis.
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 7:43 am to terd ferguson
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No. The greatest Nazi was Heinrich Himmler.
Why did I know you would say this.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 7:49 am to Jim Rockford
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Rommel's superiors didn't consider him a great general
bullshite
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he did treat prisoners and civilians humanely.
Would not have worked well on the Eastern Front. His morals and his health kept him on the Western Front, not his incompetence.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 7:56 am to The Boat
This thread makes me sick.
If he were a 'great' man, he would not have commanded an army for Hitler. Geez.
He may have been a great general as Hitler was a great leader, but certainly was not a great man. A great man would have defected and supported the Allies, or killed Hitler himself.
WWII killed between 40-80mm people depending on what numbers you look at. Hitler & Stalin did not do this alone, it was done by their citizens are who as responsible as their leaders. Were the 9/11 suicide pilots just 'good soldiers'? As long as we allow individuals to evade responsibility for their actions by claiming they were following orders, we insure things like this will happen again.
If your son were killed by Rommel's guns, would you still say Rommel was a great man?
If he were a 'great' man, he would not have commanded an army for Hitler. Geez.
He may have been a great general as Hitler was a great leader, but certainly was not a great man. A great man would have defected and supported the Allies, or killed Hitler himself.
WWII killed between 40-80mm people depending on what numbers you look at. Hitler & Stalin did not do this alone, it was done by their citizens are who as responsible as their leaders. Were the 9/11 suicide pilots just 'good soldiers'? As long as we allow individuals to evade responsibility for their actions by claiming they were following orders, we insure things like this will happen again.
If your son were killed by Rommel's guns, would you still say Rommel was a great man?
Posted on 2/16/16 at 8:01 am to Ole War Skule
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He may have been a great general as Hitler was a great leader, but certainly was not a great man. A great man would have defected and supported the Allies, or killed Hitler himself.
Ah yes, the "anybody who didn't abandon their country and defect to our side in wartime is a bad person" argument. An American classic.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 8:14 am to The Boat
Rommel was not a member of the Nazi party and neither were most of the German generals. It is arguable which of them was the best general, they had quite a few, just as the Confederacy had many, from which the Germans developed their tactics. Erich von Manstein and Heinz Guderian are widely considered to be two of their best. Guderian was a masterful strategist and brilliant field commander; Guderian was the German version of Patton, very aggressive tank commander.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 8:48 am to doublecutter
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Who would you say was the best?
That's a very difficult question to answer because it's so subjective. I'd say you could make an argument for a number of German officers...
Erich von Manstein
He, with some help from Heinz Guderian, came up with "Case Yellow" which was the plan that overran France in a matter of weeks. He also delivered the "backhand" to the Soviets at Kharkov that saved the entire southern flank of the Eastern Front and stabilized the situation there after Stalingrad.
Heinz Guderian
He was perhaps the not only one of the greatest German field commanders of the war, he's also regarded as one of the best armored warfare commanders in history. He literally wrote the book on tank warfare.
Albert Kesselring
Even though he was a member of the Luftwaffe he was given overall command of the Mediterranean, including operation in first North Africa and later the defense of Italy. It was his defense of Italy against the Allies push north that put him in this conversation. He put up what has to rank as one of the most brilliant defensive campaigns in history.
Walther von Reichenau
Due to his death in early 1942, he's less well known than other notable German field commanders. He's best known as the commander of 6th Army before Paulus. He is the one that gave 6th Army it's reputation as the "best" in the Heer until it's destruction at Stalingrad. He was instrumental in many of the early massive encirclements the Germans pulled off against the Soviets where they bagged entire armies over and over.
Paul Hausser
The Waffen SS has a reputation for two things. Brutality and being among he best war fighters in history. Paul Hausser, more than anyone else is responsible for the SS earning their reputation for being among the elite formations in the history of warfare.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. But like I said, all of this is subjective. There's valid arguments to rank Rommel above or below and or all of these and others.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:30 am to ChewyDante
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Ah yes, the "anybody who didn't abandon their country and defect to our side in wartime is a bad person" argument. An American classic.
Big generalization from my specific statement on Hitler and WWII, so don't put it in quotes as if I said it.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:38 am to Ole War Skule
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Big generalization from my specific statement on Hitler and WWII, so don't put it in quotes as if I said it.
I think it's fairly obvious that I wasn't using the quoted portion to be a literal direct quotation.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:02 am to Darth_Vader
I did Nazi a long post about Germans coming from Darth Vader.
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