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re: Just so you people know.....
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:36 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:36 pm to CptBengal
Dont feel like going back and finding the link but the 1980 spill off of Mexico is my response to all your Valdez bs. One of the biggest spills in the gulf if not ever, cant recall for sure, and the area is fine. There was minimal damage done.
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Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:42 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Dont feel like going back and finding the link but the 1980 spill off of Mexico is my response to all your Valdez bs. One of the biggest spills in the gulf if not ever, cant recall for sure, and the area is fine. There was minimal damage done.
So you got nothing.....of yeah you fail.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:45 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:46 pm to CE Tiger
"Flew on a AA 767 from MCO (Orlando) to DFW yesterday.
FLight plan was to head due North over the Florida Peninsula and then head NW directly for DFW.
As I was boarding, I showed the captain the Maximum Air Turbulence Potential from my phone and said "looks like there is some really clear air right over the spot where the oil spill occurred".
I figured it was worth a shot, he's the captain and can take the plane pretty much anywhere he wants as long as he can justify his choice of directions.
Well, I knew he got my message when he announced that we were heading for a ceiling of 38,000' and he was taking us over open water to ensure a smoother flight.
About 1 hour into the flight the plane pitches to the left a bit and the pilot announces "folks if you look to the left you can see the spot of the oil spill" All I can tell you is this: There was nothing but oil in EVERY DIRECTION, It is almost impossible to imagine the size and scale of this oil spill. It is HUGE. None of the oil appeared to be on the surface. It was as if there was a giant black monster from horizon to horizon just below the surface.
As the plane headed more Northerly the oil began to appear more streaky. I could see boats running parallel to the shore "approx 10 miles off shore" and I could see what appeared to be chemicals (not oil) streaming out of the back of the boats.
We flew ashore over the Mississippi Delta and there were giant black streaks up and down the shore. How this is not in the news is well beyond me. "
FLight plan was to head due North over the Florida Peninsula and then head NW directly for DFW.
As I was boarding, I showed the captain the Maximum Air Turbulence Potential from my phone and said "looks like there is some really clear air right over the spot where the oil spill occurred".
I figured it was worth a shot, he's the captain and can take the plane pretty much anywhere he wants as long as he can justify his choice of directions.
Well, I knew he got my message when he announced that we were heading for a ceiling of 38,000' and he was taking us over open water to ensure a smoother flight.
About 1 hour into the flight the plane pitches to the left a bit and the pilot announces "folks if you look to the left you can see the spot of the oil spill" All I can tell you is this: There was nothing but oil in EVERY DIRECTION, It is almost impossible to imagine the size and scale of this oil spill. It is HUGE. None of the oil appeared to be on the surface. It was as if there was a giant black monster from horizon to horizon just below the surface.
As the plane headed more Northerly the oil began to appear more streaky. I could see boats running parallel to the shore "approx 10 miles off shore" and I could see what appeared to be chemicals (not oil) streaming out of the back of the boats.
We flew ashore over the Mississippi Delta and there were giant black streaks up and down the shore. How this is not in the news is well beyond me. "
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:49 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Here you go buddy
from you're link
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While the Macondo leak's proximity to sensitive coastal wetlands and the fact that microorganisms that break down oil are likely more active in shallow waters might increase the Macondo spill's impact,
BTW, you link a O/G industry website....I'm sure they have no ulterior motives.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:52 pm to mentalis
Given “the 90 percent failure rate” of booms in open water, Adkinson said the “truth is” there is no real containment plan to keep the oil off the beaches — only cleanup plans.
If Walton County gets into a worst-case scenario “all bets are off,” Adkinson said.
"The current protocol for BP, after reports of tar balls coming ashore, is to come “look at them, GPS the location and then drive off,” the Sheriff said. The clean-up crews come out sometime later to pick up the hazardous material and transport it to specially designated locations.
As for questions on the use of unprecedented number of dispersants dumped into the Gulf, the sheriff told The Sun, the ingredients are the same as “Dawn dishwashing detergent.”
If Walton County gets into a worst-case scenario “all bets are off,” Adkinson said.
"The current protocol for BP, after reports of tar balls coming ashore, is to come “look at them, GPS the location and then drive off,” the Sheriff said. The clean-up crews come out sometime later to pick up the hazardous material and transport it to specially designated locations.
As for questions on the use of unprecedented number of dispersants dumped into the Gulf, the sheriff told The Sun, the ingredients are the same as “Dawn dishwashing detergent.”
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:54 pm to mentalis
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As for questions on the use of unprecedented number of dispersants dumped into the Gulf, the sheriff told The Sun, the ingredients are the same as “Dawn dishwashing detergent.”
Funny how he knows this since 30% of the chemical formula is proprietary and hasn't been released.....
Maybe he's got ESP or something
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:55 pm to CptBengal
But yet you can still not offer any proof other than Valdez which like I said is like comparing apples to oranges. Why cant you just admit that it is impossible to know for sure how this is going to turn out? To assume that the GOM is as good as dead is just your opinion, just admit it, thats all I want.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:59 pm to GREENHEAD22
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But yet you can still not offer any proof other than Valdez which like I said is like comparing apples to oranges. Why cant you just admit that it is impossible to know for sure how this is going to turn out? To assume that the GOM is as good as dead is just your opinion, just admit it, thats all I want.
Although I agree we don't know all of the effects, to claim as you have that things are well and there will be no effects is insane. We know there will be negative effects, if not why bother cleaning it up?
I cite you scientific studies...offer peer reviewed scientific literature on the effects, and it's my opinion?
You link 1 page on an O/G industry page that has no scientific analysis or contains references to ANY of its assertions.
You sir are a hack.
ETA: You obviously work for the industry. make no mistake, I am not for the moratorium or shutting down drilling. But to attempt, as you are, to discount real scientific evidence in fear of the industry is wrong. Most scientists understand the need for oil and drilling. We are not against it, nor want it ended....We do however know there will be deleterious effects that need to be studied. To claim otherwise is folly.
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Posted on 6/21/10 at 2:03 pm to CptBengal
HAHAHA I give up some people are just to far gone.
fyi never said everything was going to be fine, said that imho dont think it will be as bad as you are making it out to be and that there is know way you know anything for sure.
fyi never said everything was going to be fine, said that imho dont think it will be as bad as you are making it out to be and that there is know way you know anything for sure.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 2:19 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Funny how he knows this since 30% of the chemical formula is proprietary and hasn't been released.....
Not true, all the information has been made public now. All of that information which was company trade secrets on Corexit has been made public. Amounts (percentages) as well as all ingredients was made public and the EPA has examined this and give it it's stamp of approval.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 2:23 pm to omegaman66
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ll the information has been made public now.
Didn't know that it was....do you have a link to where I can get that information?
Posted on 6/21/10 at 2:40 pm to CptBengal
An internal BP document shows the company estimated that in the worst case, their broken oil well would pump more than 100,000 barrels of oil a day into the sea - far more than the company let on publicly.
The document was made public by Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Energy and Environment Subcommittee. (Read the memo here.)
"Right from the beginning, BP was either lying or grossly incompetent," he said.
The document was made public by Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Energy and Environment Subcommittee. (Read the memo here.)
"Right from the beginning, BP was either lying or grossly incompetent," he said.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 2:51 pm to mentalis
According to Steven Wereley a professor from Purdue University, the real spill amount is approximately 100,000 barrels a day! This translates to 4.2 million gallons of oil per day.
The oil spill began 48 days ago. This means that we just went over the 200,000,000 gallon mark!
My friends that is 200 million gallons of raw oil in the Gulf of Mexico…so far!
By August there will be another 400 million gallons that will leak for a total of 600 million gallons of oil!!
June 8, 2010
If the Gulf of Mexico suffers a hurricane, the relief well efforts could be postponed. A recent report said that it could actually be Christmas before the relief well is finished. This would result in a delay of four more months!
If that were to occur, there would be another 500 million gallons released bringing the total by Christmas to over 1 Billion gallons of oil!
The oil spill began 48 days ago. This means that we just went over the 200,000,000 gallon mark!
My friends that is 200 million gallons of raw oil in the Gulf of Mexico…so far!
By August there will be another 400 million gallons that will leak for a total of 600 million gallons of oil!!
June 8, 2010
If the Gulf of Mexico suffers a hurricane, the relief well efforts could be postponed. A recent report said that it could actually be Christmas before the relief well is finished. This would result in a delay of four more months!
If that were to occur, there would be another 500 million gallons released bringing the total by Christmas to over 1 Billion gallons of oil!
Posted on 6/21/10 at 2:54 pm to mentalis
Extracted from my post in another active thread.
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"NAPERVILLE, Ill., May 27, 2010 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- COREXIT 9500, the only dispersant Nalco (NYSE:NLC) is manufacturing to help break up the oil spilling into the Gulf of Mexico, is a simple blend of six well-established, safe ingredients that biodegrade, do not bioaccumulate and are commonly found in popular household products, the company said today. The COREXIT products do not contain carcinogens or reproductive toxins. All the ingredients have been extensively studied for many years and have been determined safe and effective by the EPA. "
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"NAPERVILLE, Ill., May 27, 2010 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- COREXIT 9500, the only dispersant Nalco (NYSE:NLC) is manufacturing to help break up the oil spilling into the Gulf of Mexico, is a simple blend of six well-established, safe ingredients that biodegrade, do not bioaccumulate and are commonly found in popular household products, the company said today. The COREXIT products do not contain carcinogens or reproductive toxins. All the ingredients have been extensively studied for many years and have been determined safe and effective by the EPA. "
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Posted on 6/21/10 at 2:54 pm to GREENHEAD22
Here are some of the highlights from the MSDS for the active ingredient (2-butoxyethanol) – of Corexit (up to 60% by volume)
Severe over-exposure can result in death.
Penetrates intact skin easily and can cause systemic effects and central nervous system depression
Inhalation: May cause irritation of the respiratory tract. May affect behavior (analgesia), behavior/central nervous system (headache, drowsiness, dizzness, stuttering, coma, weakness, ataxia, slurred speech, loss of coordination and judgement, personality changes, analgesia, blurred vision, tremor, excitement, somnolence), sense organs, the gastrointestinal tract (nausea, vomiting), metabolism (metabolic acidosis), respiration (dyspnea), urinary system (kidneys – hematuria, albuminuria, polyuria, oliguria, renal failure), liver (liver damage).
Exposure to high vapor concentration may also cause corneal or lens opacity of the eyes.
Ingestion: Causes gastrointestinal tract irritation with nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. May affect behavior/central
nervous system (see inhalation), respiration (dyspnea), metabolism, cardiovascular system.
Chronic Potential Health Effects: Inhalation and Ingestion: Prolonged or repeated inhalation or ingestion may affect the liver, blood (changes in red blood cell count, pigmented or nucleated red blood cells, microcytosis with or without anemia, erythropenia, reticulocytosis, granulocytosis, leukocytosis), urinary system (kidneys -hematuria), metabolism (weight loss), endocrine system (spleen, thymus, pancreas). Prolonged or repeated inhalation of high concentrations may also cause lung hemmorrhage, congestion, bronchopneumonia.
Classified in Canada as CLASS D-1A: Material causing immediate and serious toxic effects (VERY TOXIC).
Classified in Canada as CLASS D-2B: Material causing other toxic effects (TOXIC)
Severe over-exposure can result in death.
Penetrates intact skin easily and can cause systemic effects and central nervous system depression
Inhalation: May cause irritation of the respiratory tract. May affect behavior (analgesia), behavior/central nervous system (headache, drowsiness, dizzness, stuttering, coma, weakness, ataxia, slurred speech, loss of coordination and judgement, personality changes, analgesia, blurred vision, tremor, excitement, somnolence), sense organs, the gastrointestinal tract (nausea, vomiting), metabolism (metabolic acidosis), respiration (dyspnea), urinary system (kidneys – hematuria, albuminuria, polyuria, oliguria, renal failure), liver (liver damage).
Exposure to high vapor concentration may also cause corneal or lens opacity of the eyes.
Ingestion: Causes gastrointestinal tract irritation with nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. May affect behavior/central
nervous system (see inhalation), respiration (dyspnea), metabolism, cardiovascular system.
Chronic Potential Health Effects: Inhalation and Ingestion: Prolonged or repeated inhalation or ingestion may affect the liver, blood (changes in red blood cell count, pigmented or nucleated red blood cells, microcytosis with or without anemia, erythropenia, reticulocytosis, granulocytosis, leukocytosis), urinary system (kidneys -hematuria), metabolism (weight loss), endocrine system (spleen, thymus, pancreas). Prolonged or repeated inhalation of high concentrations may also cause lung hemmorrhage, congestion, bronchopneumonia.
Classified in Canada as CLASS D-1A: Material causing immediate and serious toxic effects (VERY TOXIC).
Classified in Canada as CLASS D-2B: Material causing other toxic effects (TOXIC)
Posted on 6/21/10 at 3:00 pm to mentalis
Is this something you want in your Gulf?
This comes STRAIGHT from the MSDS Sheet!!!
Unusual Fire and Explosion Hazard: Rapid temperature rise of liquid can result in explosive vaporization, particularly if in a sealed container.
Inhalation
Acute over exposure: Inhalation can result in asphyxiation and is often fatal.
Skin Contact
Acute overexposure: Prolonged but constant contact with liquid may cause a mild dermatitis.
Chronic overexposure: Mild to severe dermatitis.
Ingestion
Acute overexposure: Excessive ingestion of liquid form can cause gastric distress and mild diarrhea.
Inhalation: Remove to fresh air; Provide artificial respiration; Provide oxygen.
Incompatibility: Strong acids and bases can cause rapid heating. Reaction with sodium metal can result in explosion.
Hazardous decomposition products: Hydrogen - Explosive gas Oxygen - Supports rapid combustion
Waste disposal method:
Process contaminated material through treatment plant prior to discharge into environment. Discharge permit may be required.
Ventilation requirements:
Remove hot vapor from environment using local exhaust systems.
Specific personal protective equipment: Eyes: Goggles or full face splash shield when dealing with hot liquid.
A high pressure containment vessel should be used for the vapor at high temperatures.
Do not allow filled, closed containers to solidify as compound expands upon freezing.
This comes STRAIGHT from the MSDS Sheet!!!
Unusual Fire and Explosion Hazard: Rapid temperature rise of liquid can result in explosive vaporization, particularly if in a sealed container.
Inhalation
Acute over exposure: Inhalation can result in asphyxiation and is often fatal.
Skin Contact
Acute overexposure: Prolonged but constant contact with liquid may cause a mild dermatitis.
Chronic overexposure: Mild to severe dermatitis.
Ingestion
Acute overexposure: Excessive ingestion of liquid form can cause gastric distress and mild diarrhea.
Inhalation: Remove to fresh air; Provide artificial respiration; Provide oxygen.
Incompatibility: Strong acids and bases can cause rapid heating. Reaction with sodium metal can result in explosion.
Hazardous decomposition products: Hydrogen - Explosive gas Oxygen - Supports rapid combustion
Waste disposal method:
Process contaminated material through treatment plant prior to discharge into environment. Discharge permit may be required.
Ventilation requirements:
Remove hot vapor from environment using local exhaust systems.
Specific personal protective equipment: Eyes: Goggles or full face splash shield when dealing with hot liquid.
A high pressure containment vessel should be used for the vapor at high temperatures.
Do not allow filled, closed containers to solidify as compound expands upon freezing.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 3:01 pm to mentalis
NEW ORLEANS - It is an overlooked danger in the oil spill crisis: The crude gushing from the well contains vast amounts of natural gas that could pose a serious threat to the Gulf of Mexico's fragile ecosystem.
The oil emanating from the seafloor contains about 40 per cent methane, compared with about 5 per cent found in typical oil deposits, said John Kessler, a Texas A&M University oceanographer who is studying the impact of methane from the spill.
That means huge quantities of methane have entered the Gulf, scientists say, potentially suffocating marine life and creating 'dead zones' where oxygen is so depleted that nothing lives.
'This is the most vigorous methane eruption in modern human history,' Mr Kessler said.
The oil emanating from the seafloor contains about 40 per cent methane, compared with about 5 per cent found in typical oil deposits, said John Kessler, a Texas A&M University oceanographer who is studying the impact of methane from the spill.
That means huge quantities of methane have entered the Gulf, scientists say, potentially suffocating marine life and creating 'dead zones' where oxygen is so depleted that nothing lives.
'This is the most vigorous methane eruption in modern human history,' Mr Kessler said.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 3:02 pm to omegaman66
Oh sorry didn't mean to falsely scare anyone. I made a mistake the information I just posted is from an MSDS sheet for water. My sincere apologies if I unnecessarily cause any anxiety over this chemical (h2o) being in the gulf of mexico.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 11:26 pm to mentalis
All that info is fine and dandy, but there are a lot of "coulds", "maybes", and "ifs" in those paragraphs.
Also, the writer, like yourself, doesn't know the relevance or the meaning of those stats. You just use them to fit your cynical view. For the most part, these are just numbers "journalists" use to mask their lack of knowledge and to promote fear.
Also, the writer, like yourself, doesn't know the relevance or the meaning of those stats. You just use them to fit your cynical view. For the most part, these are just numbers "journalists" use to mask their lack of knowledge and to promote fear.
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